The FINAL word on what anyone should think of Ron Paul.

[Manedwolf]

      H RES 951      2/3 YEA-AND-NAY      5-Mar-2008      12:26 PM
      QUESTION:  On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree, as Amended
      BILL TITLE: Condemning the ongoing Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, and for other purposes

H.RES.951
Title: Condemning the ongoing Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilians by Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organizations, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] (introduced 1/29/2008)     

Unanimous (except for present and not voting) YEA vote...except for one. Guess who voted NAY? One vote. Just guess.

Yup.

Here's the roll.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll093.xml

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HE00951:@@@X

[MicroBalrog]

So what?

[Manedwolf]

Okay, tell me why on earth someone would vote NAY on a symbolic condemnation of a terrorist act? They do this any time something evil happens, it says "The US condemns this".

In terms of international goodwill and just congressional procedure, it was the equivalent of letting one rip loudly in church, on purpose.

I think he's either insane, or senile at this point.

[keeleon]

Wait a minute, so our tax dollars are paying for politicians to vote on whether or not we condemn a terrorist attack, and your gripe is about which way one of them voted?  I think we should take that energy and make some serious changes i nthe way our tax dollars are wasted.  A vote on action is one thing, but a vote on "our opinion"?  Give me a break.  Fire them all.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Congress has a long history of making proclamations on international affairs.  There's nothing wrong with that, but if it bothers you take it up with the supreme court and have the practice overturned.

Until then, someone give me one good reason why anyone would oppose a condemnation of terrorism.  I'd love to hear this one rationalized...

The next time some Paul supporter asks me why I think he's a nutjob, I'll point to this vote.

[keeleon]

Well, I agree that it is kind of a stupid thing to do.  Why WOULD anyone vote to not support this "statement"?  It's not like it even means anything.  The real vote should be about what we do, not what we think.  The votes on what we do will obviously reflect what we think, thus making this vote a complete waste of time.  If we vote to "frown on their shenanigans", and don't do anything about it, then what is the dam point?  and if we vote to support their shenanigans, tand don't do anything about it, WHAT IS THE DAM POINT? 

Are they going to have a vote on whether or not the spaghetti at Olive Garden was good last night?  I really do need to know the "US's" opinion.

[El Tejon]

Was he in Wookie custom when he voted against this?

[MicroBalrog]

You know perfectly well Ron Paul refuses on principle to vote to condemn or support any foreign event. To state that he somehow hates Jews based on that is utterly ridiculous.

This is the same man who supported the bombing of the Osirak reactor among other things.

[LAK]

Who could care less what Ron Paul voted on this one? Only those who worship at the feet of the State of Israel - or otherwise somehow think that an Israeli life is worth more than anyone else's.

So the final word on Palestinians vs Israelis - the lives of neither, nor their childrens', are worth any more than the other.

Let's not have any more votes in our Congress over the State of Israel or Palestine - and them them fight their own battles with their blood and their money.

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[Balog]

I'd say Israeli lives are worth more in this case. "Why?" you ask. Because they aren't the aggressors. Hamas is actively trying to kill all Jews, simply for being Jews. The Israelis are fighting back.

[MicroBalrog]

in b4 Palestine/Israel argument.

[Balog]

Hi Micro! [/wave] Haven't seen you since back in the day on THR. Weren't you a raving socialist back then? I seem to recall you saying something about being a FSPer now; bit of a switch. 

[MicroBalrog]

I was never a RAVING socialist. At one point I did think welfare and such was nice. But, as you see, not anymore. Hopefuly, in about a year and six months I'll be in the US.

[Balog]

I was never a RAVING socialist. At one point I did think welfare and such was nice. But, as you see, not anymore. Hopefuly, in about a year and six months I'll be in the US.

Well, my memory is imperfect and I just recall being pissed at you (and WildAlaska, but that's a different story...).  I've mellowed a bit since then.

So what's emmigrating from Israel like? Are you going to try to become a citizen of the US, or.....?

[MicroBalrog]

Well, right now I'm in my third year of the BA.  I'll be done by the end of next year and apply for a student visa for graduate studies in the US, to be followed for later application for permanent residency and citizenship.

[Manedwolf]

You know perfectly well Ron Paul refuses on principle to vote to condemn or support any foreign event. To state that he somehow hates Jews based on that is utterly ridiculous.

Who the hell said that besides you? Don't make up strawmen.

[Jamisjockey]

Okay, tell me why on earth someone would vote NAY on a symbolic condemnation of a terrorist act? They do this any time something evil happens, it says "The US condemns this".

In terms of international goodwill and just congressional procedure, it was the equivalent of letting one rip loudly in church, on purpose.

I think he's either insane, or senile at this point.

Because our taxdollars pay for that group of assclowns that makes up the Congress/Senate to WORK.  Not to sit around and pass imaginary legislation.  What good does condeming the acts do? 
We invaded Iraq for violating UN Sanctions.  But we condem terrorists for attacking an ally?

[thebaldguy]

So what was really accomplished by this vote?  Will this vote stop terroristic violence? Will this prevent another attack? I think not.

Our tax dollars wasted again...

[Manedwolf]

You know it's just a procedural thing in the day's business to make a symbolic vote condemning any heinous act that happens in the world, right?

They probably spend less time on it than lunch. And everyone pretty much just hits "yay" and they go to the next thing on the agenda, which might indeed be something stupid like renaming a post office.

[Finch]

They probably spend less time on it than lunch. And everyone pretty much just hits "yay" and they go to the next thing on the agenda, which might indeed be something stupid like renaming a post office.

So why bother? This is just another cheap pathetic attempt to show your obvious disdane for Ron Paul. 

We get it, ok. We know you don't like him. 

[K Frame]

"You know perfectly well Ron Paul refuses on principle to vote to condemn or support any foreign event."

I beg your pardon?

It appears that Mr. Paul VOTED on the matter, and VOTED no.

If he applied the principle you say he does, he would have abstained from the vote. And that would have conveyed a message far closer to what you're trying to claim.

The four members who answered Present didn't vote. A 'vote' of present is an absetention.

[De Selby]

in b4 Palestine/Israel argument.

I won't start it.  I promise.  I do appreciate your insightful comments on Israeli life and politics when you make them here.

Good luck to you over there-I hope you and your family are okay in these hard times in your country. 

[MicroBalrog]

If he applied the principle you say he does, he would have abstained from the vote. And that would have conveyed a message far closer to what you're trying to claim.

He votes nay on any bills to condemn/support anything. To claim he selectively hates ISrael is a grotesque misrepresentation of the facts.

[outerlimit]

I would vote NAY too. What's the point of this vote? The Congress should be figuring out how to stop spending so much and how to get out of this $9 trillion dollar debt that is ruining our economy.

"The FINAL word on what anyone should think of Ron Paul."

Holy God no wonder this country is in such a mess.
 

[Bigjake]

Voting to not condemn evil is supporting it by default.

The whole "He votes no on all foreign stuff"  just further proves the guy doesn't have a clue.

  Is Paul out of the race yet?  The Huckster got out of the way, and Paul has vowed not to run 3rd party, what is he doing now?