Author Topic: Merged - SCOTUS decision on Heller (Read 59915 times)

HankB · « **Reply #150 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:16:42 AM »

Here's a question to the legal-eagles here: what happens to the records of people convicted of violating a law that is later found to be unconstitutional?

What if they were fined or imprisoned for a time?

Manedwolf · « **Reply #151 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:17:23 AM »

Also:

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'There is simply no comparison at all between a man who is armed and a man who is not armed. ... Why should a man who is wrong, and armed, pay any attention at all to a man who is right, and not armed?" -Machiavelli

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #152 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:20:18 AM »

The DC mayor is on Fox News right now. Wish I had a feed.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #153 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:22:05 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on June 26, 2008, 06:20:18 AM

The DC mayor is on Fox News right now. Wish I had a feed.

Apparently he thinks it doesn't apply to semi-automatic handguns. What a tool.

Dntsycnt · « **Reply #154 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:23:58 AM »

What? Where does that even come from? How could you possibly formulate such a thought?

I wish I wasn't so bothered by reality.

RadioFreeSeaLab · « **Reply #155 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:24:31 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on June 26, 2008, 06:20:18 AM

The DC mayor is on Fox News right now. Wish I had a feed.

http://www.livenewscameras.com/

longeyes · « **Reply #156 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:27:48 AM »

I woke up anxious this morning at the hour of the wolf--disquieting thoughts about this case at 4am.

I have not yet looked at the ruling and opinions in depth, but...

Well, we prevailed, and that is obviously A Good Thing, but the fact that it was five to four is a bit amazing. I am shaking my head. That's not a margin of victory that can give us any false sense of security. Be assured that this decision will be re-visited in the coming years.

What we have done is buy time, and the older I get the more I realize that EVERYTHING, including this noble American project is just that: buying time against the seemingly inexorable energies of tyranny and disintegration. Today we live. Onward. We have a lot of work to do.

I think, in the end, that this ruling was not about gun rights but, bluntly, about the viability of the Court itself. An adverse decision would have been, without doubt, politically convulsive.

Godspeed to all of us.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #157 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:30:15 AM »

How does one get a username and password?

El Tejon · « **Reply #158 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:40:20 AM »

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Here's a question to the legal-eagles here: what happens to the records of people convicted of violating a law that is later found to be unconstitutional?

Pardon or Petition for Post Conviction Relief

Headless Thompson Gunner · « **Reply #159 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:41:38 AM »

I'm glad we won.

But is anyone else scared by the fact that 4 supreme court justices are either unable or unwilling to accept the plain-as-day-obvious meaning of the constitution?

El Tejon · « **Reply #160 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:43:01 AM »

No, we knew that when they were confirmed.

Headless Thompson Gunner · « **Reply #161 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:44:57 AM »

The how on God's green earth did we allow them to be confirmed?

Manedwolf · « **Reply #162 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:46:33 AM »

Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on June 26, 2008, 06:44:57 AM

The how on God's green earth did we allow them to be confirmed?

The same way that people are thinking that voting for Obama is a good idea, despite the collectivist talk?

The Annoyed Man · « **Reply #163 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:53:08 AM »

Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on June 26, 2008, 06:41:38 AM

I'm glad we won.

But is anyone else scared by the fact that 4 supreme court justices are either unable or unwilling to accept the plain-as-day-obvious meaning of the constitution?

Not nearly as scared as I am that so many Americans actually believe the myth that the SCOTUS has the Constitutional authority to essentially legislate through its rulings.

K Frame · « **Reply #164 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:53:14 AM »

Souter has actually turned out to be quite the shock.

He appeared to be a moderately conservative judge when Bush appointed him in the early 1990s, but he's turned into a freaking nightmare.

seeker_two · « **Reply #165 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:56:58 AM »

Today we won our beachhead....our line in the sand.....

Now it's time to start fighting our way forward. Our side has started filing cases in Chicago and NYC....let's do all we can to support this effort.....

....and support the local efforts where you live, too. I'm joining TSRA ASAP... grin

Manedwolf · « **Reply #166 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:57:51 AM »

Okay, that's shocking. I nosed at the BBC boards, and people are fussing that despite the bans over there, "gun crime" has been rising more and more every year. They've taken notice of this decision.

Wow.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #167 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:14:31 AM »

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Okay, that's shocking. I nosed at the BBC boards, and people are fussing that despite the bans over there, "gun crime" has been rising more and more every year. They've taken notice of this decision.

Wow.

Linky?

Are you suggesting that this might invigorate the Brits to revisit lawful possession of firearms for people of honor to resist the tyranny of criminal scum?

That would be a fabulous result that could spread to other corners of Europe and to Canada as well.

America leading again... imagine that.

K Frame · « **Reply #168 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:34:17 AM »

Anyone nose in over at Democratic Underground today?

What's it like over there?

Manedwolf · « **Reply #169 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:36:22 AM »

Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 26, 2008, 07:34:17 AM

Anyone nose in over at Democratic Underground today?

What's it like over there?

Not there, but here's my favorite vomit-worthy from the Kos Kidz.

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My opinion on the 2nd amendment is this:

1 The 2nd amendment does say that we have the right to keep and bear arms. We can own guns and bullets. It says that, so lets just not argue about it and accept that thats what it says.

2 Maybe now, after almost 250 years, is the time to amend the 2nd amendment. Create the 28th amendment that changes the 2nd by taking away our right to bear arms. Why not, because let's face it...having the right to bear arms hasn't really worked out well for us, has it? We just keep shooting each other to death. Let's change the 2nd amendment and try another tack in trying to achieve the goal of not killing each other.

Thatd be fine with me.

Obama, '08 - Because the failure of America as a democracy is not an option!

by WSComn on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:09:43 AM PDT

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #170 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:45:37 AM »

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5-4. We lose. You heard it here first.

Umm, how exactly would you like your crow served up, Grampster? undecided

K Frame · « **Reply #171 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:46:07 AM »

Nice quote from McCain...

"Unlike the elitist view that believes Americans cling to guns out of bitterness, today's ruling recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental right -- sacred, just as the right to free speech and assembly," McCain said.

El Tejon · « **Reply #172 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:55:08 AM »

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The how on God's green earth did we allow them to be confirmed?

The right wing of the Republican party was quite vocal when Bush I nominated the syrup-sipping Souter.

There were plenty of conservatives to pick from but Bush did not want to overturn Roe v. Wade before the '92 election (remember the Casey decision) as he thought he could play it safe by being nice with the Left (tax hikes and preserving the fiction of Roe v. Wade).

StopTheGrays · « **Reply #173 on:** June 26, 2008, 09:21:19 AM »

Quote from: El Tejon on June 26, 2008, 07:55:08 AM

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The how on God's green earth did we allow them to be confirmed?

The right wing of the Republican party was quite vocal when Bush I nominated the syrup-sipping Souter.

There were plenty of conservatives to pick from but Bush did not want to overturn Roe v. Wade before the '92 election (remember the Casey decision) as he thought he could play it safe by being nice with the Left (tax hikes and preserving the fiction of Roe v. Wade).

I thought he was looking for stealth nominee that would slide past a very partisan democrat senate. Souter was a virtual unknown picked because he was not known for any important cases or rulings. Sort of the "anti-Bork".

SteveS · « **Reply #174 on:** June 26, 2008, 09:25:51 AM »

Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 26, 2008, 07:46:07 AM

Nice quote from McCain...

"Unlike the elitist view that believes Americans cling to guns out of bitterness, today's ruling recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental right -- sacred, just as the right to free speech and assembly," McCain said.

Does this mean that McCain will recognize it? He doesn't have the best track record in this area. I wonder if he changed his mind.

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