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Headless Thompson Gunner

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Who didn't see this coming...
« on: June 24, 2008, 10:03:36 AM »
The Palestinians aren't abiding by the cease-fire.  Who'dve thunk?

How long will it take for politicians and the Left to realize that TERRORISTS cannot be negotiated with?  How long are they going to make us pretend (to disastrous results) that these savages are in fact civilized people that we can reason with?  Be it Hamas, or Al Qaida, or whoever else, all the Left seems to want to do is protect terrorists at the expense of the rest of us.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians;_ylt=Ag3gf8JR8QGUexRETRbPiXOs0NUE

Rockets hit Israel, which says truce broken

By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 33 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - Palestinian militants on Tuesday fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel, the first such attack since a cease-fire between Israel and Gaza militants took effect last week.


Israel condemned the attack as a "gross violation" of the truce, but did not say whether it would retaliate.

The barrage wounded two people and capped a day of violence that presented the truce with its first serious test.

Just before midnight, Palestinian militants fired a mortar shell into an empty area in southern Israel. And in a pre-dawn raid, Israeli troops killed two Palestinians in the West Bank city of Nablus.

Islamic Jihad, a small armed group backed by Syria and Iran, claimed responsibility for the rocket fire. Although the West Bank is not included in the truce, the group said the Nablus raid had soured the atmosphere of calm.

"We cannot keep our hands tied when this is happening to our brothers in the West Bank," the militant group said.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said the rocket attack came because of "Israeli provocation this morning" and added that Hamas was "committed to the calm." He said Hamas will talk with other factions and make sure they are committed, too.

The Egyptian-brokered truce went into effect Thursday. The immediate aim was to end fighting that has killed seven Israelis and more than 400 Palestinians  many of them civilians  since Hamas gained control of Gaza a year ago.

It also obliges Israel to ease a punishing blockade of the coastal strip.

In a final stage, the sides are to address Hamas' demand to reopen a major border passage between Gaza and Egypt and Israel's insistence that Hamas release an Israeli soldier it has held for two years.

The cease-fire is meant to avert an Israeli invasion of Gaza, a tiny, impoverished seaside territory of 1.4 million people that Israel evacuated in 2005 after a 38-year military occupation.

The deal extends beyond Hamas to all militant groups operating in Gaza but does not include the West Bank.

Egypt acted as middleman for the six-month truce because Israel, like much of the international community, shuns Hamas for refusing to recognize Israel or renounce violence.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert flew to Egypt on Tuesday for talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Upon entering the meeting in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheik, Mubarak said the two would discuss efforts to release the Israeli soldier, Sgt. Gilad Schalit. Olmert hailed Egyptian efforts to end attacks on Israel from Gaza.

Israel has pressed Egypt to crack down on arms smuggling from Egypt's Sinai desert into Gaza.

On Tuesday, Olmert was quoted in the London-based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat daily as saying that if the smuggling did not end, then Israel would consider the cease-fire agreement violated, and "we will be compelled to military action."

Early Tuesday, Israeli troops killed a senior Islamic Jihad commander in a raid in the West Bank town of Nablus.

A neighbor said a Palestinian bystander was also shot to death by troops when he opened the door of his apartment during the raid. The Israeli military said the man was a militant killed during a gunbattle with troops.

Islamic Jihad said the commander of its northern West Bank operations, Tarek Juma, was killed in the operation.

The military said Juma was targeted because he was planning an attack on Israel. Troops found explosive devices and munitions in his apartment, it said.

In Germany, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad condemned the operation.

Fayyad, whose government is trying to negotiate a peace deal with Israel, has said continuing military operations are undermining efforts to have Palestinian security forces restore law and order in the West Bank.

This was "an example of the kind of activity that has to stop and has to stop immediately and promptly if we are going to succeed in providing security to our people," said Fayyad, who is attending an international conference aimed at bolstering his security forces. "There was absolutely no exchange of information on this particular incident."

Also Tuesday, the Hamas military wing took responsibility for a shooting in the West Bank last week that injured three Israeli hikers. The claim was sent in a text message to Gaza journalists.

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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 10:11:11 AM »
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How long will it take for politicians and the Left to realize that TERRORISTS cannot be negotiated with?

Until the week after forever.

Realistically speaking, terrorism has always been a leftist extremist method.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 10:21:28 AM »
"The Palestinians" is a bit of a misnomer here.  The ceasefire was between Hamas (in its role as Government of the Gaza Strip) and Israel.  

These rockets, probably the mortar, and the two guys killed all come from Islamic Jihad, which is present in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and who historically have allied with both (most recently with parts of Fatah in suicide bombings and other attacks that have originated from the West Bank).  This could easily be a deliberate act by IJ (just as Fatah did during the Hamas-Fatah conflict) to have the IDF attack Hamas in order to weaken it (of course attacking Israel is a welcome bonus).
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 10:23:23 AM »
Islamic Jihad =/= Hamas.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 09:04:04 PM »
Israel gives Fatah 72 hours to bring the perpetrators to them.  If Fatah doesn't  comply, then the truce is over.  Until the Pali's can show they can police themselves, there can be no truces.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 09:56:38 PM »
Wasn't there a bet around here as to how long the truce would/would not last?
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 10:01:41 PM »
It really is a shame that this keeps happening...
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 10:01:52 PM »
Israel gives Fatah 72 hours to bring the perpetrators to them.  If Fatah doesn't  comply, then the truce is over.  Until the Pali's can show they can police themselves, there can be no truces.

The truce is not with Fatah. Nor can Fatah be held responsible for what takes place in Gaza, as Hamas is in 'control' of that area.

And what Agricola said.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 04:06:25 AM »
If Hamas is in control of Gaza, and agreed to a truce, then they have responsibility for stopping the attacks, and bringing the perps to justice.

If they fail to do so, then either 1) they are behind the attacks, or are giving tacit approval; or 2) they're not in control after all.

In either case, any "truce" with them is meaningless.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 09:13:01 AM »
The ceasefire was between Hamas (in its role as Government of the Gaza Strip) and Israel.  

Islamic Jihad =/= Hamas.

The truce is not with Fatah. Nor can Fatah be held responsible for what takes place in Gaza, as Hamas is in 'control' of that area.

According to the article, the cease-fire "extends beyond Hamas to all militant groups operating in Gaza".  Is the article wrong?

Either way, it appears that some of the Palestinians are deliberately attempting to sabotage the cease-fire.  Is this not telling?

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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 05:48:53 PM »
I was gonna spend some time and write out a nice little post on how we should not look at this as a cultural problem but one of criminal behaviour. Then I decided that anyone who wants to spout off B.S. like this

 
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According to the article, the cease-fire "extends beyond Hamas to all militant groups operating in Gaza".  Is the article wrong?

Either way, it appears that some of the Palestinians are deliberately attempting to sabotage the cease-fire.  Is this not telling?

and not take in to consideration just plain party poopers, well, there aint no getting through to them.


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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 06:21:18 PM »
I suggest the Israelis move up the splendid radar counter-battery fire control units we assisted them with.

Reply in kind quickly enough and it'll make sure the same group of criminals don't fire off a repeat performance later that afternoon.  As far as collateral damage, I'm going to be blunt and say that people shouldn't let criminals use their backyards and roofs to launch rockets or mortars.

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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 08:37:18 PM »
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I suggest the Israelis move up the splendid radar counter-battery fire control units we assisted them with.

Been tried. Didn't work.

Someone screwed up and drove a shell into the roof of an appartment building.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 08:39:00 PM »
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According to the article, the cease-fire "extends beyond Hamas to all militant groups operating in Gaza".  Is the article wrong?

Depending on who you ask.

Technically, the ceasefire has been only signed with Hamas. Israel claims Hamas is still responsible for whoever is in Gaza. Hamas is shrugging and looking VEWY INNOCENT.

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Either way, it appears that some of the Palestinians are deliberately attempting to sabotage the cease-fire.  Is this not telling?

SOME is the key word there.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2008, 10:13:39 PM »
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The truce is not with Fatah.

Ooops--my bad.  Just swap out "Hamas", and the sentiments are the same.  Feet to the fire, and such.
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Re: Who didn't see this coming...
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2008, 06:45:41 AM »
Very predictable pattern. Truce, talks, negotiations, treaties - peace. All those things that every sane man and woman in any conflict region of the world desires.

Agent provocateurs are seemingly always there though - right on time. Question is; who is paying them.

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