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Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« on: July 06, 2008, 04:18:50 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece

Hopefully, this is a true gain and we can continue to see things improve there.

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American and Iraqi forces are driving Al-Qaeda in Iraq out of its last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.

After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaedas dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant last stand in the northern city of Mosul.

A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.

Operation Lions Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.

The group has been reduced to hit-and-run attacks, including one that killed two off-duty policemen yesterday, and sporadic bombings aimed at killing large numbers of officials and civilians.

Last Friday I joined the 2nd Iraqi Division as it supported local police in a house-to-house search for one such bomb after intelligence pointed to a large explosion today.

Even in the district of Zanjali, previously a hotbed of the insurgency, it was possible to accompany an Iraqi colonel on foot through streets of breeze-block houses studded with bullet holes. Hundreds of houses were searched without resistance but no bomb was found, only 60kg of explosives.

American and Iraqi leaders believe that while it would be premature to write off Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni group has lost control of its last urban base in Mosul and its remnants have been largely driven into the countryside to the south.

Nouri al-Maliki, Iraqs prime minister, who has also led a crackdown on the Shiite Mahdi Army in Basra and Baghdad in recent months, claimed yesterday that his government had defeated terrorism.

They were intending to besiege Baghdad and control it, Maliki said. But thanks to the will of the tribes, security forces, army and all Iraqis, we defeated them.

The number of foreign fighters coming over the border from Syria to bolster Al-Qaedas numbers is thought to have declined to as few as 20 a month, compared with 120 a month at its peak.

Brigadier General Abdullah Abdul, a senior Iraqi commander, said: Weve limited their movements with check-points. They are doing small attacks and trying big ones, but theyre mostly not succeeding.

Major-General Mark Hertling, American commander in the north, said: I think were at the irreversible point.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 05:25:29 PM »
Nothing to see here.  Move along.  Nobloodforoilimperialistshatebushhatebushhatebush.

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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 05:49:32 PM »
"mission accomplished" Huh?
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2008, 08:09:58 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece

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You know way too much info.  Quit spouting stuff that makes sense.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 02:33:55 AM »
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Shhhhh.  Everyone knows the only problem in Iraq is al-Qaeda and once we get rid of them everything will be hunky dorey.  Not like there are any other problems, like SHIA militia groups...

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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 04:14:58 AM »
Wow.  A pretty pessimistic bunch aren't we?  Smiley

This has lasted long enough.  I am curious just how much of that "Iraqis lead..." is real and how much is propaganda.  I am at least hopeful we are seeing the end up ahead. 
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 12:41:06 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece
Hopefully, this is a true gain and we can continue to see things improve there.

You know way too much info.  Quit spouting stuff that makes sense.



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Wow.  A pretty pessimistic bunch aren't we? 

This has lasted long enough.  I am curious just how much of that "Iraqis lead..." is real and how much is propaganda.  I am at least hopeful we are seeing the end up ahead. 


Back onto topic...

Foreign fighters are a pretty 'minor' concern if you're looking at The Big Picture In Iraq (tm).  Yes, they cause issues.  Yes, we gotta kill a lot of 'em.  But the major point of concern is the native Iraqis.  Sadr concerns me more than any foreign terrorist organizations.  We can't whack him because it'd annoy Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani, which would be a Very Bad Thing.  al-Sistani is the most important cleric in Iraq, and is a half decent guy.  He hates Wahabbis, which alone should make him a tentative ally worth courting.  We also shouldn't whack Sadr because he's not overly educated (he's not a mujtahid), lacks experience in leadership, and can't organize a cohesive resistance movement.  In other words, he's a lot less capable than his replacement would be.

The Iraqis are standing on their feet more than a couple years ago.  Unfortunately, this isn't like rebuilding Germany or Japan.  Germany, you could dump a pile of unsorted construction material in middle of an empty field and come back two weeks to a neat, tidy town with a dozen factories.   Iraqis aren't as organized or motivated.  No clue why.  It's their way and their culture.  Dumping money and materials on Iraqis won't be enough to convince them to build a nice society were people can just get along.   They have to figure things out for themselves. 

I still think the best approach would have been to Balkanize Iraq.  Forced seggregriation, self-autonomy for each ethnic group, forced equal distribution of oil revenues, and ten mile buffer zone DMZ's landmined to the hilt between each ethnic group.  But it's not the happy "flower of democracy" vision that Washington wants.  So instead of something messy but practical, we have the political mess that doesn't exactly mesh with the local tribal customs.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 04:12:08 PM »
So, I guess you can't announce any good news on the Iraq situation, unless all the bad guys are dead and every remaining Iraqi is quietly reading The Economist, while waiting in line at Starbucks. 

But here's some video of twelve-hundred-plus American service members re-enlisting.  On 4 July.  In Baghdad. 
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/030492.html
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 04:58:43 PM »
So, I guess you can't announce any good news on the Iraq situation, unless all the bad guys are dead and every remaining Iraqi is quietly reading The Economist, while waiting in line at Starbucks. 

But here's some video of twelve-hundred-plus American service members re-enlisting.  On 4 July.  In Baghdad. 
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/030492.html

Smart lads.  If you re-enlist overseas, there is a very good chance of getting your bonus money tax tree.  Otherwise taxes eat up somewhere between a third to half of the amount. 

Good news is great.  Additional power coming online.  Kurdistan is a de facto independent country, it just doesn't exist on paper.  You want good news on a regular basis, tune in to the Kurdish north.  Schools are opening all the time.  Medical care is getting better.  Etc, etc. 

All the good news doesn't cancel out the major underlining issues, Fistful. 
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 05:23:06 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4276486.ece

Hopefully, this is a true gain and we can continue to see things improve there.

Perhaps they can also do something about the IED's on Route Tampa that are suspiciously near the Iraqi police checkpoints?

Here in parts of Anbar, the cops were having their 'danger pay' cut off due to lack of action, so they started putting out rinky-dinky little IEDs to keep their checks coming.

We've also had cops caught placing them to keep MNF away from oil-line tapping operations.

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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 05:24:35 PM »
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All the good news doesn't cancel out the major underlining issues, Fistful.

I think you mean "underlying issues," but the point is that this article was a bit of good news.  Nothing more.  But many people, yourself included, respond to it as if it were Bush himself landing a jet in Baghdad, and shouting "Mission Accomplished!" from the top of a minaret. 
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 05:58:01 PM »
{edit} Better yet, I'll leave my comment to myself.  I'll take the high road.


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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 07:55:20 PM »
Let me put out a friendly reminder to all our veterns.  Yes this maybe a rather friendly forum and we should hope that everyone on here is a good person.  However the bad guys do still search web forums to see what we know and spout off.  Just try to keep OPSEC in mind when posting.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 04:48:10 AM »
We've also had cops caught placing them to keep MNF away from oil-line tapping operations.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 06:33:11 AM »
You know, I honestly hope that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in Iraq.

And I hope that the Kurds and Shiittes will all have a Sunni disposition and hold hands singing kum-by-yah.

Because then all our troops can come home Smiley
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008, 06:42:23 AM »
You know, I honestly hope that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in Iraq.

Well, there's likely to be a pot of something.  Sad

That said, this is a somewhat positive written account...
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008, 08:41:14 AM »
Well, the Iraqi government is asking us to leave now.  undecided
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008, 09:21:37 AM »
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Well, the Iraqi government is asking  us to leave now.  undecided

Oh please, Brer Fox.  Don't throw me into that there briar patch.

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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008, 02:52:26 PM »
Let me put out a friendly reminder to all our veterns.  Yes this maybe a rather friendly forum and we should hope that everyone on here is a good person.  However the bad guys do still search web forums to see what we know and spout off.  Just try to keep OPSEC in mind when posting.

There are definitely no opsec issues with my post. Already been in the newspapers.


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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 08:40:26 PM »
I understand that wingnutx but at the same time 80% of the information generated my the military is unclassified.  However, that doesn't mean it isn't sensitive.  Just asking that we all keep in mind what we post.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2008, 01:56:43 AM »
I understand that wingnutx but at the same time 80% of the information generated my the military is unclassified.  However, that doesn't mean it isn't sensitive.  Just asking that we all keep in mind what we post.

Ah, FOUO and UBS, my favorite not quite real classifications.   grin
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008, 02:47:37 AM »
How does one go about "pacifying" the Middle East without killing everyone there? rolleyes

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008, 06:10:41 AM »
I understand that wingnutx but at the same time 80% of the information generated my the military is unclassified.  However, that doesn't mean it isn't sensitive.  Just asking that we all keep in mind what we post.

Ah, FOUO and UBS, my favorite not quite real classifications.   grin

Mine, too.

EVERYTHING new I work on is FOUO, it seems.  It is the easiest way to keep our enemies from having their proxies FOIA-ing every last bit of unclassified data.   Given the number of proxies of hostiles gov'ts, groups, etc. prowling about the USA and the FOIA, it is a necessary PITA.
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Re: Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 06:30:52 AM »
But it gets real fun over here when 90% of the email traffic on SIPR isn't of a classified nature.

I have a JWICS account but have not had the need to use it.  Mainly because I would have to drive 30 minutes or so across base to get to a machine.
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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2008, 08:06:58 AM »
Mine, too.

EVERYTHING new I work on is FOUO, it seems.  It is the easiest way to keep our enemies from having their proxies FOIA-ing every last bit of unclassified data.   Given the number of proxies of hostiles gov'ts, groups, etc. prowling about the USA and the FOIA, it is a necessary PITA.

Yea, I've heard that previously.  FBI detailed some folks to do statistical analysis on FOIA requests. 

Still, FOIA is definitely worth the 'risk'.  Helps keep a lot of agencies honest, when other wise, they definitely would not be.  DOD included.

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But it gets real fun over here when 90% of the email traffic on SIPR isn't of a classified nature.

Tis how the brass get their porn.  I was Signal Corps.  We saw up to 60% of SIPR bandwidth being taken up by P2P and porn downloads.  Then we looked at the ranks of the folks involved, and buried the stats. 
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