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*%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« on: July 21, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »
Okay, my son and I have been building various items that I've found on this website.

http://scitoys.com/

(The photo can cannon being the favorite of the neighborhood kids.  Hideously smelling, cheap perfume marketed to teenage girls makes the best fuel.  I even built a three barrel cannon.  shocked angel  The gauss and railgun are pretty cool also.)

Anywoo, we (I) decided that we'd tackle the crystal radio.  Fortunately, American Science and Surplus  http://www.sciplus.com/ is just down the road from us in Geneva, IL, so I've been able to pick up most of the stuff we need for our experiments on the cheap.   grin

However, the one thing they didn't have is a 1N34A Germanium diode or any suitables diodes for that matter.  No problem, the instructions from the Scitoys website say "Radio Shack Part# 276-1123".

Stop by Radio Shack on the way home.  Now I remember when they still had the free vacuum tube tester in every store, and the walls were covered with all kinds of electrical and electronic gizmos, parts and doo-dads.  Now it's all cell phones and toys.  undecided  So I look around and through the drawers with the electronic parts and can't find either Silicon or Germanium diodes.  Ask the kid behind the counter for Part#276-1123.  He types it into the computer and announces that they no longer cary that part.  "Okay, how about any other Germanium diodes ?"  Again, nothing listed as in they don't carry them anymore, however I can drop $70-$100 on one of their "100 Electrical Experiments" kits.  No, plugging cards into a board according to a diagram is not what I'm looking to do.  These are really build-it-yourself projects.   

So right now we're stumped on the diode.  I was really wanting to have a crystal radio not only for the experience of building it together, but also to have for if and when we have storms and poweroutages to still get info.

On to the next project. 
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 06:16:26 PM »
Radio Shack is worthless for electronic components.  Even if they have the part you want, they'll charge you 10 or 20 times more than it's worth.  Mailorder is the best option for buying most components. 

Try one of the following:
www.digikey.com
www.mouser.com
www.newark.com


Looks like Mouser has 4,301 of 'em in stock:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=A09egTk0tbXMpOf3uR8i2Q%3d%3d

Of course, it kinda sucks having to order a single diode.  You'll spend $7 on shipping just to get a 50 cent part. 

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 06:54:33 PM »
Of course, it kinda sucks having to order a single diode.  You'll spend $7 on shipping just to get a 50 cent part. 

Perxactly.  When we went to AS&S, I dropped $45 and got enough stuff to build about 12 of the experiments along with some other cool stuff. 
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 07:14:47 PM »
Tomorrow I'll try to remember to look through my parts kit for any germanium diodes.  I doubt I have any, but ya never know.  If I find one, I'll drop it in the mail to you.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 07:34:51 PM »
I've heard good things about Electronic Goldmine.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 07:40:56 PM »
Have any old broken electronics around?  I've bought old/damaged electronics at garage sales just to pull the parts.  I've pulled Germanium diodes off old amps any number of times.  They are pretty easy to spot.

I'll look through my parts drawer - might have one or two that I'll mail to you for free.

On a side note, I've built that project.  Tons of fun - I couldn't believe how well it worked!

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 07:49:40 PM »
Okay, I have exactly two Germanium diodes pulled from some dohicky or another.  While I don't know the exact part numbers, one or both are likely to work well for you.  Since these are pulled parts, the leads are fairly short, but definitely solder able into a PCB or freely on to a wire.

PM me your mailing address, and they are yours.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 08:42:20 PM »
Radio Shack is frustrating to buy stuff from.  Not one store has the same stock on hand.  Many years ago when I was taking HS physics, we had to build a small vehicle using gearing and an electric motor. In one Radio Shack, I could find decent mini-electric motors, but no gears or anything that I could use to make the motor actually run something, while at another they had the gears but not the electrical components I needed to make the motor run....its like a freaking goose chase.  Trying to find the Radio Shack that has the majority of the parts you need for a build is an exercise in futility.
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 02:36:34 AM »
Radio Shack

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We got batteries.
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 02:39:09 AM »
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 03:52:45 AM »
Radio Shack is frustrating to buy stuff from.  Not one store has the same stock on hand.  Many years ago when I was taking HS physics, we had to build a small vehicle using gearing and an electric motor. In one Radio Shack, I could find decent mini-electric motors, but no gears or anything that I could use to make the motor actually run something, while at another they had the gears but not the electrical components I needed to make the motor run....its like a freaking goose chase.  Trying to find the Radio Shack that has the majority of the parts you need for a build is an exercise in futility.

The market has changed. Demand for parts like that dropped so much that it was just dusty "dead inventory" on shelves, as opposed to fast-moving items like headphones, cellphones, flatscreens and other general consumer goods. It's why they moved them all into drawers, and some stores don't have parts anymore.

People who want to build stuff generally order it off the web. It didn't pay for the stores to stock the parts anymore...so they don't.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 04:52:59 AM »
I needed to build a lock out buzzer system for a high school science bowl team, yep Radio Shack didn't stock the right relays anymore. Took me about 2 weeks to find a 12vdc 4pdt 5amp relay and other two weeks to have it shipped to me.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 05:06:39 AM »
Be thankful you are not looking for a crystal like in some old CBs.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 05:47:09 AM »
Radio Shack did save my ass last week.  Installed a new phone system (so not happy we are doing phone systems again) and whenever the system was connected to the paging system there was a continuous buzz coming out of all of the 47 speakers.  I believe there is a ground loop somewhere between the units even though they share a common ground.  A Radio Shack $4 isolation transformer that was in stock cleared the buzz.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 07:22:27 AM »
Oh, heck.  My dad builds crystal sets in his sleep for kids and museums, and has tons of 1N34 diodes, germanium diodes, and galena crystals for that purpose.  (His favorite build is using just the galena crystal and a razor blade for the detector/tickler assembly).  If Nick1911 can't provide the part you need, just let me know.

Radio Shack has gone downhill considerably in the last several years.  Even their online parts catalog is threadbare at best. I use MCM Electronics or Allied Electronics online these days, or I visited a place called Astro Too in Melbourne, FL (they ship).  I have a bunch of the old Radio Shack/Tandy branded stuff, including a pristine PC-6 Pocket Scientific Computer I use for engineering/GD&T stuff at work.  Getting stuff like manuals or printer paper and pens through their catalog system is well-nigh impossible these days.  Even a couple of pilot lights and toggle switches for my last lightning detector build was a chore, they've reduced their parts department to basically one rack of drawers. 

But you can buy a cell phone there, no problem.  rolleyes
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 07:26:26 AM »
Oh, heck.  My dad builds crystal sets in his sleep for kids and museums, and has tons of 1N34 diodes, germanium diodes, and galena crystals for that purpose.  (His favorite build is using just the galena crystal and a razor blade for the detector/tickler assembly).  If Nick1911 can't provide the part you need, just let me know.

Radio Shack has gone downhill considerably in the last several years.  Even their online parts catalog is threadbare at best. I use MCM Electronics or Allied Electronics online these days, or I visited a place called Astro Too in Melbourne, FL (they ship).  I have a bunch of the old Radio Shack/Tandy branded stuff, including a pristine PC-6 Pocket Scientific Computer I use for engineering/GD&T stuff at work.  Getting stuff like manuals or printer paper and pens through their catalog system is well-nigh impossible these days.  Even a couple of pilot lights and toggle switches for my last lightning detector build was a chore, they've reduced their parts department to basically one rack of drawers. 

But you can buy a cell phone there, no problem.  rolleyes

To be fair, as I said, that's what their market is now. That's the target demographic, and it's what sells and makes them money. They moved in this direction because they were nearly bankrupt, the old sales model was selling to a market that vanished.

A 50 cent diode taking up valuable shelf space for a year makes no money. A cellphone that moves every week, for which the cellphone provider pays them as well for promotion, that's what makes the shareholders happy.

Plus, most new electronics are disposable solid-state devices. Just TRY to "fix" a wafer-thin iPod. You'd need a microscope. People don't fix radios and things anymore, except for niche markets like amateur radio. And there's not enough sales to justify keeping the parts on the shelf. Niche markets are most cost-effectively served online and via shipped goods, from the corporate profits end of things. Brick and mortar locations lose money on smaller markets of that sort.

For all intents and purposes, the "Radio Shack" of the 1980's no longer exists, just like Abercrombie & Fitch is no longer a supplier of gear for your hunting trip. They've re-invented, and companies online sell what they used to sell, shipping direct from the overseas suppliers as orders come in. The only reason why they haven't changed their name is that there's such legacy recognition. They've been trying to reduce it to the red R-in-circle without the word at a number of locations, and I expect they'll change to "RS" eventually, in a sort of hybrid of Apple Store and KFC's letter branding.

This is the current one-word-and-catchphrase logo.



It's their new market, can't do anything about that.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2008, 07:33:43 AM »
Allegedly, Kentucky Fried Chicken rebadged themselves as "KFC" when they throttled back on the real chicken content of their meals.

Radio Shack should do the same, maybe something like Best Circuit Depot, to put further distance between what they sell and what they started out as, which as Mtnbkr and I can tell you is a store designed for real guys with real Radio Shacks running antennae hither and yon.  (Google the term...)

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 07:36:06 AM »
Allegedly, Kentucky Fried Chicken rebadged themselves as "KFC" when they throttled back on the real chicken content of their meals.

Radio Shack should do the same, maybe something like Best Circuit Depot, to put further distance between what they sell and what they started out as, which as Mtnbkr and I can tell you is a store designed for real guys with real Radio Shacks running antennae hither and yon.  (Google the term...)

That's all I'm sayin'...

Heh. I'd just added that before seeing what you wrote, having considered further.

So I definitely agree! Problem is that Radio Shack has such a "they're in every mall" legacy to the name. It's Where You Go for that crazy battery or the HDMI cable still (though overpriced!), so...

Was the term "radio shack" initially used on land, or on ships, the small isolated cabin with the noisy Marconi gear in it? I've studied the sorts they had on Edwardian liners, with the condensers and spark and all.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 08:03:29 AM »
Yup.  Radio shacks were shipboard, but the term migrated to the little shed in the back yard, or the basement/back room that had a Hallicrafters or Hammarlund with one's call sign on a neat board amongst the rat's nest of clutter.  A current version:



The Little Radio Shack Out Back:



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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2008, 08:22:26 AM »
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Radio Shack is frustrating to buy stuff from.  Not one store has the same stock on hand.


If it's a company store it will have the same inventory.  If it's a dealer store (franchise) then they pick and choose their own inventory.

The giveaway is the sign.  The franchises will have "Dealer" in small letters below the Radio Shack.

Back when I worked for them (late 80's & early 90's) they were still mostly a component store.  Components weren't moving very fast even then.  With the advent and success of the Mega-Tainment stores (Circuit City, Best Buy, etc) Radio Shack switched to a similar model, albeit on a greatly reduced scale.

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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2008, 09:39:38 AM »
Thanks for the offers of diodes.  I've PM Nick with my address. 

My basic plan was to do some of the these experiements to try them out and then over the next couple of years, to do them as Cub Scout projects with my son's pack.    Most boys do like making things that either go bang or do something really cool.  angel
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Re: *%&^#)%& Radio Shack
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2008, 09:59:34 AM »
If you do the electronic stuff "right" you can make it catch fire or explode.  Boys will love it.

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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 10:11:09 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008, 10:11:28 AM »
If you do the electronic stuff "right" you can make it catch fire or explode.  Boys will love it.

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Yeah, except when I do that I secretly use model rocket igniters...

Very impressive, and doesn't smoke anything hard/expensive to replace.

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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2008, 02:08:37 PM »
If you do the electronic stuff "right" you can make it catch fire or explode.  Boys will love it.

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There are some projects/experiments listed on that sight that do go *BANG*, but there are other ones (electric/magnetic/aerodynamics/thermodynamics) that make the kid's eyes go wide and they say "Cooooooooool".    cool

Plus they then get to take them home and show their parents, so "Mom !!! Dad!!!  Guess what !!!! Our Den Leader showed us how to make a nuclear fission bomb and here it is !!" probably isn't such a great idea.   rolleyes

The projects are fun and aren't just for kids:  http://scitoys.com/   grin angel

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