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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2008, 06:18:37 AM »
Taking oil out of the strategic reserve makes about as much sense as using your only CO2 fire extinguisher to chill a beer. You'll just have to have it recharged at great expense, and if there's a fire, you're in trouble.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2008, 06:22:57 AM »
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Are you kidding me?  Seriously, I hope you are.  NONE of those companies have the resources or infrastructure needed to rebuild the infrastructure of an entire nation.  Not a single one.  Do you even understand what is involved in such an endeavor?  I'm starting to wonder if you're really trying to debate or just trolling.

My point is Halliburton didn't have the resources or infrastructure either.  They were given a blank cheque and bought up the infrastructure they needed.  Anyone could do that.

Yes I must be a troll because I disagree with the more "senior" members of the board.

Seriously, a large part of Halliburton was designed at delievering goods and services to troops.  The main part of this being (supplies, food, household items, many things they sell at Wal-Mart) and trucks to get them there.  Wal-mart has this covered.  They have vendors, trucks, ect. Add in some blank cheque expenses for them to buy things like mobile homes and it could be done.

What was Halliburton's great infrastructure? Were they already building nations??

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2008, 06:32:00 AM »
Taking oil out of the strategic reserve makes about as much sense as using your only CO2 fire extinguisher to chill a beer. You'll just have to have it recharged at great expense, and if there's a fire, you're in trouble.

Exactly.  What is mystifying to me is that the Dems seem to be blissfully ignorant of the fact that, if they did allow offshore drilling and ANWR to be opened up, they would have that much more money to waste on needless programmes "invest in the future of America".   

At least over here Brown has realised that the spike in the price of oil is actually (for the Government finances, if not the population) a good thing. 
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2008, 07:23:18 AM »
If your goal is to reduce the citizenry to helpless serfs, then keeping land off limits makes more sense.  Besides starting January 2009, you can always raise taxes.
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2008, 08:04:51 AM »
Obama just called for releasing 70 million barrels from the reserve. Probably of the under-300 million barrels of sweet crude that's fastest to process.

 CURRENT SPR INVENTORY AS OF  August 04, 2008     
   SWEET                      SOUR                              TOTAL    
   283.5 million bbls    423.7 million bbls              707.2    
                                 
So if Iran started something in the Straits, we'd have...oops. Not enough.

A preview of his management style, it seems.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2008, 08:06:23 AM »
I thought Obama was against opening the strategic reserve.

Do I misremember, or has His Greatness flipped another flop?

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2008, 08:07:17 AM »
I thought Obama was against opening the strategic reserve.

Do I misremember, or has His Greatness flipped another flop?

He flopped.
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Sen. Barack Obama suggested selling 70 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve in a speech on Monday, a move he said has lowered gasoline prices in two weeks when done in the past.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2008, 08:16:13 AM »
My point is Halliburton didn't have the resources or infrastructure either.  They were given a blank cheque and bought up the infrastructure they needed.  Anyone could do that.
And let's not forget who gave Halliburton those initial contracts that got their foot in the door....Wait for it.....



William Jefferson Clinton !!!

Seriously, a large part of Halliburton was designed at delievering goods and services to troops.  The main part of this being (supplies, food, household items, many things they sell at Wal-Mart) and trucks to get them there.  Wal-mart has this covered.  They have vendors, trucks, ect. Add in some blank cheque expenses for them to buy things like mobile homes and it could be done.

What was Halliburton's great infrastructure? Were they already building nations??

Yep, they were doing it in Bosnia and Kosovo.  Plus they owned KBR:
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Halliburton's former subsidiary, KBR, is a major construction company of refineries, oil fields, pipelines, and chemical plants. Halliburton announced on April 5, 2007 that it had finally broken ties with KBR, which has been its contracting, engineering and construction unit as a part of the company for 44 years.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york070903.asp
 
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I would rather have a bunch of engineers experienced with building refineries, pipelienes etc, then a bunch of Wal-Mart or MickeyD's drones doing the work of rebuiling the infastructure of a nation.   But it's much easier to spit and scream "HATEBUSHCHENEYHALLIBURTONEVIL, then to actually do the research and think.
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2008, 08:34:43 AM »
How many times do I have to explain that he is not a communist/socialist?

Let's see Obama's Energy Plan:

From each according to their ability (the oil companies), to each according to their needs (voters).

Keep explaining how he's not a Socialist/Marxist/Communist, and maybe eventually someone might believe you.  rolleyes
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2008, 10:15:26 AM »
Open up the strategic reserves?

"Strategic" is not a concept BHO has mastered yet, although perhaps if his goal is to weaken our emergency military preparedness it makes superb sense.
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2008, 10:20:26 AM »
Open up the strategic reserves?

"Strategic" is not a concept BHO has mastered yet, although perhaps if his goal is to weaken our emergency military preparedness it makes superb sense.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2008, 11:32:43 AM »
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But it's much easier to spit and scream "HATEBUSHCHENEYHALLIBURTONEVIL, then to actually do the research and think.

I don't hate Bush or Cheney.  I actually think they have done fairly well these late 8 years on security issues and the economy. 

My statement about Halliburton is they simply had little more than what they purchased with these blank cheques.  My point is, maybe they had some oil rigging equipment, but say they had no food service people.  You could hire McDonalds and they would be experts in food service but not in oil rigs, so they would purchase oil riggers with their blank cheque.  Effectively accomplishing the same job.

In any event, unlike yourself, I have a real job where people from all over the world contact me for my ideas and don't argue.  I don't need to go floating around the internet screaming about how I am right.  Therefore, as I often do, I resign from this thread.  You can go on and post your love letters to Halliburton.  I shan't be reading them.


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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2008, 12:16:49 PM »
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But it's much easier to spit and scream "HATEBUSHCHENEYHALLIBURTONEVIL, then to actually do the research and think.

I don't hate Bush or Cheney.  I actually think they have done fairly well these late 8 years on security issues and the economy. 

My statement about Halliburton is they simply had little more than what they purchased with these blank cheques.  My point is, maybe they had some oil rigging equipment, but say they had no food service people.  You could hire McDonalds and they would be experts in food service but not in oil rigs, so they would purchase oil riggers with their blank cheque.  Effectively accomplishing the same job.

In any event, unlike yourself, I have a real job where people from all over the world contact me for my ideas and don't argue.  I don't need to go floating around the internet screaming about how I am right.  Therefore, as I often do, I resign from this thread.  You can go on and post your love letters to Halliburton.  I shan't be reading them.

You grossly underestimate the logistical issues involved involved here.  It isn't merely an exercise in hiring a few food service companies and some oil riggers.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2008, 04:28:57 PM »
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Oh wait, we had this discussion already re. offshore drilling. Everything is a short term quick fix to the energy and economy crises except for whatever pet socialist plan they have like this "windfall tax" scheme or emptying the SPR so we can really be at the mercy of world oil prices when it is gone.

I think I have a new plan for life. If I hear anyone say "carbon footprint, windfall, Algore, wind turbine, fair share, change, we need to do more, etc." I will just assume they are a foreign spy and kick them in the junk. Cheesy

It's like I'm his campaign advisor or something. I just knew he'd jump on the drain the SPR bandwagon with mama Pelosi. 
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2008, 05:07:36 PM »
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But it's much easier to spit and scream "HATEBUSHCHENEYHALLIBURTONEVIL, then to actually do the research and think.

I don't hate Bush or Cheney.  I actually think they have done fairly well these late 8 years on security issues and the economy. 

That's one thing we agree upon.

My statement about Halliburton is they simply had little more than what they purchased with these blank cheques.  My point is, maybe they had some oil rigging equipment, but say they had no food service people.  You could hire McDonalds and they would be experts in food service but not in oil rigs, so they would purchase oil riggers with their blank cheque.  Effectively accomplishing the same job.

Uhhh, they did and do have Food Service people.  That was one of the reason's that Clinton keep them on in the Balkans as opposed to giving the contract to Dyncorp (the lowest bidder)   Oh, and keep in mind that Cheney didn't become CEO of Halliburton until 1995.

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The first LOGCAP was awarded in 1992, as the first Bush administration (including then-Secretary of Defense Cheney) was leaving office. Four companies competed, and the winner was Brown & Root, as it was known at the time (Halliburton changed the name to Kellogg Brown & Root after an acquisition in 1998). The multi-year contract was in effect during much of the Clinton administration. During those years, Brown & Root did extensive work for the Army under the LOGCAP contract in Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia; contract workers built base camps and provided troops with electrical power, food, and other necessities.

In 1997, when LOGCAP was again put up for bid, Halliburton/Brown & Root lost the competition to another contractor, Dyncorp. But the Clinton Defense Department, rather than switch from Halliburton to Dyncorp, elected to award a separate, sole-source contract to Halliburton/Brown & Root to continue its work in the Balkans. According to a later GAO study, the Army made the choice because 1) Brown & Root had already acquired extensive knowledge of how to work in the area; 2) the company "had demonstrated the ability to support the operation"; and 3) changing contractors would have been costly. The Army's sole-source Bosnia contract with Brown & Root lasted until 1999. At that time, the Clinton Defense Department conducted full-scale competitive bidding for a new contract. The winner was . . . Halliburton/Brown & Root. The company continued its work in Bosnia uninterrupted.




In any event, unlike yourself, I have a real job where people from all over the world contact me for my ideas and don't argue.  I don't need to go floating around the internet screaming about how I am right.  Therefore, as I often do, I resign from this thread.  You can go on and post your love letters to Halliburton.  I shan't be reading them.

Yep, until my kidney's failed and I to undergo a year of Chemo, (which I just finished), I was the Logistics Manger for a paint can manufacturing company with customers all over the US and Canada, prior to that I was Operations Manager for a company that imported from all over the world with our three largest customers being Wal-mart, Target, and K-mart.  Well prior to that I was an Military Police Officer (Platoon Leader, Staff Officer and Company Commander) in the US Army and US Army Reserve.   There's a HUGE difference between shipping 5-14 truckloads of crap to various state-of-the-art Wal-mart distribution centers on any given day and trying to figure out how to get a convoy of beans and bullets across a river without a bridge and under enemy fire to a unit that is engaged in combat and may or may not be there when you get there.

Please let me know which companies come to you for ideas, because if they look to someone as closed minded as you and can't think for themselves, I wish to divest myself of any holdings I may have of those companies in either my portfolio or 401(k)'s.
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2008, 05:24:38 PM »
Obama's plan is to take 70 million barrels of light sweet crude, that is easy to refine, and have it replaced with heavier, lower quality oil that we don't have the technology to refine efficiently.  As his advisors say, we'll have the technology and refineries later, when we need them.

Kind of like let's spend all our money now, because someday we'll be able to build a time machine, go back, and win lotto.
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2008, 07:30:33 PM »
It's the time of Magical Thinking.

Trying to explain the policies of the arch-liberals in our gov't rationally is a fool's errand.  It doesn't have to make sense; it just has to sound good.  We always had stupid people around but they weren't actually running for President and sitting in big political and bureaucratic jobs.  They at least had some animal cunning.  Of course times were simpler then, weren't they?  No complex decisions to make about energy policy.

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2008, 01:20:18 AM »

It's like I'm his campaign advisor or something. I just knew he'd jump on the drain the SPR bandwagon with mama Pelosi. 

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2008, 02:45:21 PM »
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Let's see Obama's Energy Plan:

From each according to their ability (the oil companies), to each according to their needs (voters).

Keep explaining how he's not a Socialist/Marxist/Communist, and maybe eventually someone might believe you. 

I don't think you really understand what that saying means. Oh and, "So your telling me that he wishes to put the proletariat in control of the means of production, and turn this contry into a stateless classless society!?"
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »
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Let's see Obama's Energy Plan:

From each according to their ability (the oil companies), to each according to their needs (voters).

Keep explaining how he's not a Socialist/Marxist/Communist, and maybe eventually someone might believe you. 

I don't think you really understand what that saying means. Oh and, "So your telling me that he wishes to put the proletariat in control of the means of production, and turn this contry into a stateless classless society!?"

I think it means that productive have to support the non-productive, whether they want to or not.   And yes, I think the BHO wants to nationalize Oil, Medicine and everything else he can put under the .gov's thumb. 
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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2008, 04:28:02 PM »
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Let's see Obama's Energy Plan:

From each according to their ability (the oil companies), to each according to their needs (voters).

Keep explaining how he's not a Socialist/Marxist/Communist, and maybe eventually someone might believe you. 

I don't think you really understand what that saying means. Oh and, "So your telling me that he wishes to put the proletariat in control of the means of production, and turn this contry into a stateless classless society!?"

I think it means that productive have to support the non-productive, whether they want to or not.   And yes, I think the BHO wants to nationalize Oil, Medicine and everything else he can put under the .gov's thumb. 

And, of course, that's a great idea. Put the same gov't that can't even run a profitable brothel (see the Mustang Ranch) in charge of extremely essential economic forces... rolleyes

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Re: Obama-Robbing Hood? Stealing Money from Oil Companies
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2008, 05:18:35 PM »
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I think it means that productive have to support the non-productive, whether they want to or not. 

Nope.

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And yes, I think the BHO wants to nationalize Oil, Medicine and everything else he can put under the .gov's thumb. 

Simply wanting to nationalize different things does not make him a socialist/communist. Do you think libraries and prisons should be privatised?

What kind of communist/socialist is he? A Marxist, Leninist, Trot, Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, technocrat, etc..., etc..., etc..., etc...
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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2008, 05:30:50 PM »
Simply wanting to nationalize different things does not make him a socialist/communist. Do you think libraries and prisons should be privatised?

If the government owns the means of production that makes him a socialist/communist.

And yes, libraries and prisons should be privatised.
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