Why BHO is "better" then McCain

[ilbob]

I started this thread as a place for a poster on THR to respond to his statement there that BHO was a better choice than McCain, since I could not think of a single area where i could come to that conclusion.

Offhand, I see it this way:

Executive experience - neither has a whole lot, so maybe a tie.
Foreign policy - serious edge to McCain. BHO clearly has no clue how the world really works.
Taxes - McCain wants to not raise taxes, BHO wants to raise them. Edge to McCain, but personally I think big tax cuts are in order.
Spending - McCain wants to hold the line. BHO has a whole litany of things he wants to spend more on, mostly areas the US Constitution does not even give the federal government any power to do anything in the first place. I look for serious CUTS in spending in those areas. major edge to mcCain.
Defense - BHO totally clueless on this, too. Big edge to McCain.
Border control - about even. McCain seems to have come around some, but neither really wants to take the steps necessary to send illegals back where they belong.

Got to go to work. Maybe I will expound more later. I hope Oldskoolfan will come here from THR and give us the benefit of his thinking on why BHO is better.

[agricola]

I started this thread as a place for a poster on THR to respond to his statement there that BHO was a chocie than McCain, since I could not think of a single area where i could come to that conclusion.

1.  His name is worth more at Scrabble, or would be if names were allowed in Scrabble.

[Silver Bullet]

His name is worth more at Scrabble, or would be if names were allowed in Scrabble

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that.      This might change my vote.     

[longeyes]

The same reason 9mm is better than .45?   

[Gowen]

How about change?  BHO is better on change. Change, that stuff you have left in your pocket when he gets done taxing the very heart and soul out of this country.


Besides, he will usher in the antichrist, if he isn't him already. Oh, that's right, he defeated her in the primary.(this is a joke people, don't take me seriously.)

[marsofold]

Because the Kenyan is preferable to the Panamamian. Both were born outside the borders of the USA, so actually neither is constitutionally eligible to run for president. 

[Regolith]

Because the Kenyan is preferable to the Panamamian. Both were born outside the borders of the USA, so actually neither is constitutionally eligible to run for president. 

McCain was born on a US military base to two US citizens, therefor he was born a US citizen.  Obama was born in Hawaii.

Sorry, doesn't wash.

[longeyes]

There was a time when Obama's eligibility to be President mattered.

That time is gone.

We should all be concerned.

This nation is turning into The United States of Whatever.

[lee n. field]

McCain vapor locks, and we get Palin.

BHO succumbs to socialized medicine and we get Biden.

[Jamisjockey]

Because the Kenyan is preferable to the Panamamian. Both were born outside the borders of the USA, so actually neither is constitutionally eligible to run for president. 

Yeah Obama is a ragheaded muslim sleeper cell terrorist, didn't anyone see the picture?  His daddy smuggled him in the country so he could activate our nukes and destroy us from within!
 

You've been listening to too many idiots on late night AM radio if you think that either of your statements are true. 
And no where does it say that they must be born within the borders of the US.  They must be natural born citizens.  Both of them are.

[Desertdog]

Because the Kenyan is preferable to the Panamamian. Both were born outside the borders of the USA, so actually neither is constitutionally eligible to run for president.

Sorry but you are incorrect.  The Constitution states "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

I think your problem is with the phrase "No person except a natural born Citizen,". 

The definition used today for natural citizen includes persons born to US citizens that are residing temporairly outside the US.   The operative words are "temporairly outside the USA"

This does include my grandaughter Jessica who was born in an American military hospital in Germany.  This would also include tourist, students, and other people who was oversea with plans to retun to the USA.

[MechAg94]

How about change?  BHO is better on change. Change, that stuff you have left in your pocket when he gets done taxing the very heart and soul out of this country.

Yes, CHANGE is why Obama selected a long time Washington insider for his VP. 
Obama has been a party-line voter and a willing member of the Chicago political machine.  No change there at all.

[Desertdog]

Executive experience - neither has a whole lot, so maybe a tie.

One of thetalking heads on the Journal Editorial Report (Fox News Network, Saturday, 8:00 PM) made the comment that Sarah Palin had no "executive exerience" and got the reply, "She has more executive experienc than Obama, Biden and McCain combined"  Right on.

[marsofold]

I was not serious about Obama being Kenyan or McCain being Panamamian. I was mocking the early republican swiftboat wanna-bees who tried to brand Obama as ineligible for the office who then found themselves in the ironic situation that their own party's candidate was born outside of the country. Perhaps there really is justice in the universe. Both of them are qualified to run for the office. The voters will decide which is qualified to fill the office.   

[longeyes]

Obama's and McCain's natal circumstances are quite different, as are virtually all the other aspects of respective lives.

Obama is a story wrapped in a resume sitting astride a donkey.

[RoadKingLarry]

Executive experience - neither has a whole lot, so maybe a tie.

McCain was a squadron commander with at the time the higest readiness status on record.

[Scout26]

So, I'm wondering how 5 years as a POW makes one a 'hero' let alone qualify him for POTUS.   I thought 'heroes' either killed or captured the enemy, not were captured by them.

Congrats.

Despite the best attempts of Paddy McRiley, Tecumseh, and a few others this qualifies as the most ignorant and asinine thing I've read on APS.

My hats' off to you sir.

[GigaBuist]

Executive experience - neither has a whole lot, so maybe a tie.

Tied at 0 on that one.

Foreign policy - serious edge to McCain. BHO clearly has no clue how the world really works.

McCain speaks as though the Soviet Union and Czechoslovikia still exist.  He's referenced them by name recently.  Dude might be slightly out of touch with the real world.  I can't be real confident in a guy that's 10 years behind the whole "what countries actually exist" issue.

Taxes - McCain wants to not raise taxes, BHO wants to raise them. Edge to McCain, but personally I think big tax cuts are in order.

I ran across a utility that would calculate your taxes under both plans recently.  Obama was definitely in my favor on that one.  That surprised me given that I was using a figure of about $120k for a married couple.

Spending - McCain wants to hold the line. BHO has a whole litany of things he wants to spend more on....

Point to McCain there.

Defense - BHO totally clueless on this, too. Big edge to McCain.

*yawn*  Bring every American soldier home and then we'll talk about defense.  Neither candidate it speaking my language on that topic.

[Harold Tuttle]

[RoadKingLarry]

Congrats.

Despite the best attempts of Paddy McRiley, Tecumseh, and a few others this qualifies as the most ignorant and asinine thing I've read on APS.

My hats off to your sir.

OK.  I'll bite.  As a POW, what did McCain do to further the military objectives of the U.S. during the Vietnam war?

Or do we just feel sorry for him because he was a POW?

Maybe POW status bestows an entitlement for life?

Or is it just an invocation of victimization?

How does it work?

So do you think he just flew into Viet Nam and got shot down on his first day?
Do you think he didn't provide leadership and inspiratin to his fellow POWs?
Do you completely discount the remainder of his exemplary military service?
Do you have any idea what true service and sacrifice means?

I am in 100% agreement with Scout26.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Nevermind.

[K Frame]

Simmer down, folks.

Only warning.

[Dntsycnt]

Stop the manly-man emotional Vietnam argument crap and address the topic at hand.

I personally see Obama better suited as applied to science and technology.  For one thing, he would end the ban on funding for new stem cell lines.  Which, whether you believe the president should address or not, the previous one did, and needs fixing.

Is that enough to vote for him?  I don't think so.  But it would definitely be a boon to emergent medical technologies.

[AZRedhawk44]

Stop the manly-man emotional Vietnam argument crap and address the topic at hand.

I personally see Obama better suited as applied to science and technology.  For one thing, he would end the ban on funding for new stem cell lines.  Which, whether you believe the president should address or not, the previous one did, and needs fixing.

Is that enough to vote for him?  I don't think so.  But it would definitely be a boon to emergent medical technologies.

Why does John Q Public need to fund medical research?  There's no ban on the research, there's just a ban on the FedGov paying for it.  And I'm okay with that.

Let the state of California pay for it over in their socialist utopia.  Let New York pay for it.  Their states are welcome to research anything they want, and they might even see some return on their investment with regard to business tax revenues after the fact.

But the FedGov never gets a return on its investments.  It's just wasted money... which means its my money that's wasted.  I don't like that.

If it were truly profitable science, then Pfizer and the other companies would be researching it without government grants, or other states/universities would be funding it by whatever means necessary.

[Scout26]

Stop the manly-man emotional Vietnam argument crap and address the topic at hand.

I personally see Obama better suited as applied to science and technology.  For one thing, he would end the ban on funding for new stem cell lines.  Which, whether you believe the president should address or not, the previous one did, and needs fixing.

Is that enough to vote for him?  I don't think so.  But it would definitely be a boon to emergent medical technologies.

As AZ pointed out there is no ban on Stem-cell research, just a ban on the .gov providing the funding.   The fact is that so far stem cell research  has proved to be a bust.   If stem cells truly were the be-all and end-all cure of every evil sickness in the world, then every major pharm company would be investing like mad in developing it.  The fact is that the promise of stem cell therapy hasn't been bourne out in tests.  Hence, the typical liberal clamour that "We need to spend more money to make it work."