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McCain's Speech
« on: September 04, 2008, 06:09:47 PM »
Damn.

Confession.

McCain was my choice eight years ago.  He lost.

Then, he became GWB, Jr.  You know what?  I got mad at him.  (I saw that, during his speech.)

I abhor right-wing, radical, cold-dead-hands, Reaganite-to-Buchanon conservatism in ALL its forms.  Palin makes me ill.  And I thought that's what McCain had become.

*expletive deleted*it.  Mac's back.  [edit: meaning he's not a far right nutjob, even though he acted like one for eight years.]

It's going to be a race, isn't it?
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 06:13:47 PM »
That's a shame, Zeke.  I feel for you.  Really, I do.  Honest.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 06:14:19 PM »
That's a shame, Zeke.  I feel for you.  Really, I do.  Honest.

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Hey, I meant internally.

I LIKED this guy and he broke my heart.  (I still recall the great SNL bit -- taken from Apocalypse Now -- where he has an animated meltdown supporting GWB: but did it, anyway.)

If he can only be what he was eight years ago, muzzle Palin, and do what he says, I'm torn.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 06:18:51 PM »
I'm hoping he gets elected and gridlock is the result.  Perpetual, never ending gridlock so we can at least maintain the status quo.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 06:20:11 PM »
I'm hoping he gets elected and gridlock is the result.  Perpetual, never ending gridlock so we can at least maintain the status quo.

Chris

Given that, I'd rather have Obama with a Democratic majority.

America is broken.  Be bold!

That's what I thought McCain was, eight years ago.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 06:27:22 PM »
I like it broke just the way it is.  I don't want progressive policies or new programs.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 06:29:52 PM »
I like it broke just the way it is.  I don't want progressive policies or new programs.

Chris

I don't want 4-8 more years of right-wing, radical, wingnut-hawk, failed policy (home and abroad) GWB-type "leadership."

BROKEN.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 06:33:36 PM »
I like it broke just the way it is.  I don't want progressive policies or new programs.

Chris

I don't want 4-8 more years of right-wing, radical, wingnut-hawk, failed policy (home and abroad) GWB-type "leadership."

BROKEN.

Broken is just fine with me.  A functioning govt is one that takes money away from my family, reducing my ability to provide for them.   Because of the parasites, a functioning govt does nothing but take from me.  I want a govt that accomplishes nothing.

Oh, and I'm better off than I was 8 years ago. 

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 06:35:34 PM »
Ezekiel, apparently you're not old enough to remember the Carter years. Talk about failed policies at home and abroad, Carter was the penultimate Democratic party failure. I see no better in Obama and expect even worse. I was USN during the Carter years and I can't tell you just how bleak those years were.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2008, 06:39:33 PM »
Being born in 73, I don't remember specifics about Carter, but I do remember the rapid rise of affluence my family experienced during Reagan.  Kind of similar to my own rapid increase in financial stability during Bush.  If that's broken, then I want more.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 06:40:19 PM »
Oh, and I'm better off than I was 8 years ago.

Noted.  "That's one."

Related to the Carter years -- not endeavouring to bail him out -- he was handed a bucket of warm spit by the Republican Party.  (Of course, one could argue same, now.)

And comparing GWB to Reagan, who is wildly overpopularized (Capt. Debt, anyone?), doesn't seem forthright: unless we're speaking of undercover/bad military engagements.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 06:40:36 PM »
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I'm hoping he gets elected and gridlock is the result.  Perpetual, never ending gridlock so we can at least maintain the status quo.

Yeah.  That's what the founding fathers said and why you inherited all the freedoms you have.  rolleyes

They might have said that or worse had they seen the sort of treasury robbing socialists we have to deal with these days. 

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 06:42:24 PM »
I like it broke just the way it is.  I don't want progressive policies or new programs.

Chris

I don't want 4-8 more years of right-wing, radical, wingnut-hawk, failed policy (home and abroad) GWB-type "leadership."

BROKEN.


Yeah, Bush is so right wing that he has increased the size of government at a record rate.... like the liberals did when they were in power the past 40 years.

Yeah, Bush is so right wing he's increased the debt incredibly ....like the liberals did when they were in power the past 40 years.


Bush ...right wing radical.

The guy who invited Teddy Kennedy to the White House.   
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 06:43:20 PM »
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Broken is just fine with me.  A functioning govt is one that takes money away from my family, reducing my ability to provide for them.   Because of the parasites, a functioning govt does nothing but take from me.  I want a govt that accomplishes nothing.

Oh, and I'm better off than I was 8 years ago.

Exactly.  Nevermind the debt has increase from $3 trillion back in 2000 to the $9 trillion plus it is today.  Let your grandchildren and great grandchildren deal with it.   rolleyes


They'll be better able to deal with it if I can leave them something other than dreams of a free country.  That debt won't go away as Obama and his cronies expand social spending, bring socialized healthcare, etc.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2008, 06:54:38 PM »
Neither party is your friend, my friend.  Both have abandoned the FF principles.  

Just now figuring this out?  I know neither party is my friend, which is why I'd prefer neither do anything at all.  The less they do, the less they interfere with my life.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 06:55:35 PM »
Don't you consider that welfare?

Absolutely and you'll notice I never said I supported it or anything else of its ilk.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2008, 06:58:49 PM »
That's a shame, Zeke.  I feel for you.  Really, I do.  Honest.

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Hey, I meant internally.

I LIKED this guy and he broke my heart.  (I still recall the great SNL bit -- taken from Apocalypse Now -- where he has an animated meltdown supporting GWB: but did it, anyway.)

If he can only be what he was eight years ago, muzzle Palin, and do what he says, I'm torn.

Absolutely zero chance of that bolded part.

He already flipped on his "maverick" image a long time ago to get to this point.  People do not toss principles aside to achieve something, and then magically become principled again once they reach a position of power.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 07:00:15 PM »
People do not toss principles aside to achieve something, and then magically become principled again once they reach a position of power.

I see your point.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 07:16:30 PM »
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Nevermind the debt has increase from $3 trillion back in 2000 to the $9 trillion plus it is today.

Actually the deb was $6 trillion in 2000.  We haven't seen a $3 trillion debt since about 1990.  We had hit $4 trillion by 1992, which should be hard to forget, because Ross Perot was slamming that down that nation's throat via informercials.  Source:  http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

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Yeah, Bush is so right wing that he has increased the size of government at a record rate.... like the liberals did when they were in power the past 40 years.

Yeah, Bush is so right wing he's increased the debt incredibly ....like the liberals did when they were in power the past 40 years.

You might want to check the link I posted just above this.  There's a pretty distinct pattern showing debt rising when a Republican president is in office, starting with Reagan.

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Clinton actually balanced the budget and left a surplus (although doing nothing to reduce the national debt).

Err, Clinton didn't balance the budget by himself.  You've repeated the claim that we were $3 trillion in debt in 2000, which indicates that you're not aware of what was happening in the early-mid 90's when that was actually what the national debt was, so I'll recap:

In 1994 the Republicans swept up majorities in both houses.  Clinton couldn't get his budget by them.  The Federal government actually shut down because of this.  In the end, the only thing Clinton could get through was a balanced budget.  The Republicans had to do that.  They wouldn't have maintained their majority come 1996 if they didn't.

Granted, by 2000 they'd all apparently taken up heavy drinking as a hobby, because that's when they started spending like drunken sailors, which brings me to the first point that you made:

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Yeah.  That's (Gridlock) what the founding fathers said and why you inherited all the freedoms you have

Yes, gridlock is exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they created our system of government.  Why do you think we have a bicameral legislature?  Veto powers? Veto overrides? They fully intended a system that made it difficult to change the existing laws or even pass a budget in this country.

That's why we saw a balanced budget under Clinton, which you praise, while knocking the very system of government that delivered it.

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2008, 07:41:17 PM »
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Errrr., if a 'bicameral legislature' was what the FF intended, why are we XXXX $trillion in debt?

Well, that's just a nonsensical question, but I'll give a stupid answer to it.

The 17th amendment didn't help any, nor did the 16th.  We had a bad stretch of ideas there for a while, 16th, 17th, and 18th.  Fixed one of 'em though!

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The simple fact is, Republicans SPEND as much a Democrats (if not more, see the last 8 years).

No real disagreement there.

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Proof?  Reagan, Clinton (the so-called 'Republican Revolution' under Newt fizzled out after its first term).
Fizzled out?  Care to point me to a point in time where the Republicans were in the minority between 1994 and 2006 in the Legislature?  As I recollect, they owned the show for just over a decade.  Could be wrong on that one, though.  They had it in 1994, they had it in 1996, and they sure had it in 2000, 2002, and 2004.  That leaves 1998 up for grabs.  Show me I'm wrong.  I doubt I am, but I could be.  I entered college that year and was sorta doing "other stuff" at the time.

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Then, of course, there's the predominantly Dem congress under GWB, who rubber stamped anything/everything Bush wanted.
From 2000-2006 Bush had a Republican Congress.  Where are you getting this "predominantly Dem congress under GWB" nonsense?

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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2008, 08:14:17 PM »
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They might have said that or worse had they seen the sort of treasury robbing socialists we have to deal with these days.

I couldn't agree more.  Spending is out of control.  By my reckoning, Republicans have owned the Whitehouse 28 of the past 40 years.  RR spent bigtime as has GWB.  Big spenders both.  Clinton actually balanced the budget and left a surplus (although doing nothing to reduce the national debt).

Neither party is your friend, my friend.  Both have abandoned the FF principles.  

Ummm, RR had to deal with a (D) congress.  Checking my copy of the constitution, Congress (specifically the HOR) makes the budget.  The Senate and President can only approve or disapprove.
Clinton had an (R) congress that shoved a balanced budget down his thoart (they also wanted to also give him line item veto.)  Yes, GWB has failed as a fiscal conservative in his vain attempt to buy votes.    I'd rather have Mike Irwin write the budget.  Then we'd finally see widows and orphans being tossed out into the streets on their ears !!!
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 03:13:29 AM »
I abhor right-wing, radical, cold-dead-hands, Reaganite-to-Buchanon conservatism in ALL its forms.  Palin makes me ill.  And I thought that's what McCain had become.

McCain a right-wing radical?  Really?  Dude, what the hell have you been smoking/drinking/snorting/shooting?  Yeah, he's so far right that most Republicans still aren't too happy he's the nominee.  He's so far right that he had to choose a VP that other, more intelligent people, have called a right-wing nutjob. 

It's amazing that you could spend so much time on this board and nothing that is said makes it into your tiny little brain.  A large percentage of this board has military experience and has told you how full of crap you are and yet, despite the fact that you have absolutely no experience with the military, except for a conversation with a couple of drunk officers in a bar, you continue to insult them.  For months most of the conservatives here have said that they don't like McCain.  The reason being that he's not conservative enough.  I guess any Republican is a right-wing nutjob in your tiny Liberal mind.    A masturbationist, absolutely.  Intellectual?  Don't flatter yourself.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 03:23:03 AM »
Reagan spent millions on defense which caused the Soviet Union to go bankrupt.  Which won us Cold War I.

Clinton gutted the military and that is the reason we are in a lot of the trouble we are in now with all the Reserve and National Guard call ups and no equipment.

And I too am better off now than I was 8 years ago.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 03:38:06 AM »
McCain a right-wing radical?  Really?  Dude, what the hell have you been smoking/drinking/snorting/shooting?

I've just watched him vote as one for eight years.

It's pretty simple.
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Re: McCain's Speech
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 03:59:37 AM »
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Reagan spent millions on defense which caused the Soviet Union to go bankrupt.  Which won us Cold War I.

Clinton gutted the military and that is the reason we are in a lot of the trouble we are in now with all the Reserve and National Guard call ups and no equipment
I agree with you 100%!

I am also better of now than I was 8 years ago.   grin