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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #150 on: September 25, 2008, 11:49:36 AM »
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What a way to "not take sides!"
Justin isn't "taking sides".  Noise and speculation are just going to make matters worse, and we're trying to keep some of that down.

The issue is very complicated, and mindless speculation isn't doing any good.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #151 on: September 25, 2008, 11:50:56 AM »
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What a way to "not take sides!"
Justin isn't "taking sides".  Noise and speculation are just going to make matters worse, and we're trying to keep some of that down.

The issue is very complicated, and mindless speculation isn't doing any good.

So suppressing all discussion of the matter and banning the members is keeping that down?

Keeping something down, alright. Seems like Derek is the only one allowed to give his side of the story...Oleg's side keeps getting deleted and the posters banned. Glad I'm not there.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #152 on: September 25, 2008, 12:01:34 PM »
I think you're over reacting a tad Maned. Were Derek an evil ogre he would have deleted this thread by now.

Agree completely with Larry here, the rest of us have to sit back and watch for a while.
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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #153 on: September 25, 2008, 12:03:59 PM »
The figh twon't be won by public opinion but in court. Please spread the links to my fund raising appeal far and wide.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #154 on: September 25, 2008, 12:05:42 PM »
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banning the members
More speculation.  A couple of members were given suspensions until they cool down.  One I was just chasing posted eleven "Derek is a thief" threads on various sub-forums in the span of a few minutes.  I gave him a few days to cool off.

That's not what I call "discussion".

Besides, only a couple of members have full knowledge of the situation.  Any discussion needs to be between them.  THR needs to continue as normally as humanly possible until the situation is resolved.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #155 on: September 25, 2008, 12:06:28 PM »
Hi guys.

Good to see some old names over here...I had avoided APS until all the recent unpleasantness.

Might be a blessing in disguise.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #156 on: September 25, 2008, 12:07:00 PM »
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Please spread the links to my fund raising appeal far and wide.

I will Oleg. In the meantime I was over at THR madly posting like some kind of troll for your cause.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #157 on: September 25, 2008, 12:08:33 PM »
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Please spread the links to my fund raising appeal far and wide.

I will Oleg. In the meantime I was over at THR madly posting like some kind of troll for your cause.

I went down in a blaze of glory!  grin grin angel

Yeah, the people on your side acting badly isn't helpful. See "Free state project" for an example.
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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #158 on: September 25, 2008, 12:22:25 PM »
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I was over at THR madly posting like some kind of troll for your cause.
I went down in a blaze of glory!
Um...you might want to read a few posts earlier:
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I was just chasing posted eleven "Derek is a thief" threads on various sub-forums in the span of a few minutes.  I gave him a few days to cool off.
That's not what I call "discussion".
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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #159 on: September 25, 2008, 12:22:50 PM »
Whoah, what's the problem with the FSP?

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #160 on: September 25, 2008, 12:23:50 PM »
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the people on your side acting badly isn't helpful.

How do you know it wasn't helpful? I could have got more people to contribute to Oleg's cause.

I probably won't do it in the future, since there is the outside chance it could hurt his case, but it sure felt good.

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« Reply #161 on: September 25, 2008, 12:24:32 PM »
As many of you are aware, I serve as a Moderator over on THR.

Please heed Larry's words.

There's more to this than meets the eye.

In the end, either the parties in question will resolve it between them, or a resolution will be obtained in court.

I want you all to keep in mind how easy it is to misunderstand someone on the Internet.  Couple that with a tendency of humans to spout off before thinking things through.  And, just to spice things up a little, season all of this with the all-too-human tendency to deny a mistake.

At some point the "who's right and who's wrong" question gets pretty muddy, because -- even when both parties believe they're doing the right thing -- there's not only the issue of the merits, but now also the issue of what's been said.  

Some of you are married.  Being right ain't much help if you manage to insult your spouse in the proving of it.

If I had to guess, and my crystal ball wasn't so freakin' cloudy, I'd imagine that once the interested parties are behind closed doors with an uninvolved person asking the questions, there will be a certain amount of "uh, well, I guess that was a little extreme," from both sides.

I know more than most of you.

I don't know enough to pass judgement.

I'm still hoping both sides will wake up and go, "what the hell was I thinking!?"

Till then, you won't see me throwing rocks either way.

Keep yer powder dry, fellas.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2008, 12:24:52 PM »
Whoah, what's the problem with the FSP?

*snerk* You tell me. They just released this recently. This is THEIR idea of positive publicity.



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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #163 on: September 25, 2008, 12:25:10 PM »
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Um...you might want to read a few posts earlier:

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #164 on: September 25, 2008, 12:26:12 PM »
All those signs make sense to me, but this thread isn't about the FSP. 

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I'm still hoping both sides will wake up and go, "what the hell was I thinking!?"
Me too.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #165 on: September 25, 2008, 12:30:34 PM »
THR needs to continue as normally as humanly possible until the situation is resolved.

No, THR needs to be handed over to Oleg immediately.
Until such time there will likely be no 'normal' there, only angry long time members getting banned for telling the truth and new members wondering what the heck is going on.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #166 on: September 25, 2008, 12:33:41 PM »
Whoah, what's the problem with the FSP?

Oh, now you done stepped in it.

BTW, wookie suits are in aisle 3.
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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #167 on: September 25, 2008, 12:43:58 PM »
Sigh.... APS is getting a bit polluted now.

I can feel the THR-creep coming in. angry
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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #168 on: September 25, 2008, 12:48:11 PM »
Wrong thread.

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« Reply #169 on: September 25, 2008, 12:48:56 PM »
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I can feel the THR-creep coming in.

I know how you feel. Some of those guys are real idiots, others paranoid Gunkid jrs, and others make RKBA look like sh##.

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« Reply #170 on: September 25, 2008, 12:49:48 PM »
AZ, you may remember my THR thread "Halt, Who Goes There" a few months back.

I was actually trying to encourage THR guys to visit APS.

Several said they found it too chaotic (or other, uh, synonyms) over here, and they would stay with THR, thank you very much.

Y'gotta appreciate hearing "there goes the neighborhood" from both sides.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #171 on: September 25, 2008, 12:50:01 PM »
you can also get crazy deals on CL... remember, the price in the ad is ALWAYS negotiable.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #172 on: September 25, 2008, 12:51:02 PM »
Too chaotic?! This place is perfect.  Screw around, have good conversation, cower in fear of Mike Irwin, and at the end of the day, toss some fistful parts to vultures. 

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #173 on: September 25, 2008, 12:53:00 PM »
Just a heads up - this discussion has already escaped the THR and APS forums into the <a href="http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/">blogosphere[/url] and (of course) <a href="http://ar15.com"> AR15.com [/url].

There really isn't any realistic way of putting the cat back in the bag, and the dispute having escaped into the blogosphere, of engaging in any sort of moderation.

In the meantime - remember the WHOIS function of Net Registrar's is a handy thing, that historically Oleg is a pretty good guy, and that at a tech level, there are darned few things that can't be either fixed or worked around.

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Re: *** Pending lawsuit regarding THR - message reposted via Oleg's blog.***
« Reply #174 on: September 25, 2008, 12:54:04 PM »
As far as I know, Oleg has been reinstated as a moderator (the lowest staff position). Derek still has him locked out of the administrator's CP and Derek is still the only person with access to the database and backups.

I am (was) an administrator on THR. I helped Oleg assign moderators back in December of '02 and was there when Rich Lucibella gave the site to Oleg. I have been banned from THR since about noon today without any notice or communication whatsoever. This was done by either Derek Zeanah or John Shirley.

Any rumors you may have heard about all the staff being reinstated is a lie. I am still on the outside looking in because I vociferously defended Oleg and condemned Derek's actions. If things change I will post the fact back here.

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