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LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« on: February 25, 2010, 10:18:50 AM »
Am I crazy, or are the authors of this piece high on something? Or perhaps the very last line of the article explains everything.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ellis25-2010feb25,0,3374643.story

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Most 'tea party' followers are baby boomers reliving the '60s
A poll debunks assumptions about the movement, showing that it's largely middle-class, college-educated, white and male.

By Jim Spencer and Curtis Ellis

5:01 PM PST, February 24, 2010

Oceans of ink, terabytes of blog space and an eternity of television time have been devoted to the latest object of media fascination, the "tea party" movement. Now (finally!), a poll conducted by CNN gives us some hard data on the Tea Party Nation.

Neither "average Americans," as they like to portray themselves, nor trailer-park "Deliverance" throwbacks, as their lefty detractors would have us believe, tea partyers are more highly educated and wealthier than the rest of America. Nearly 75% are college educated, and two-thirds earn more than $50,000.

More likely to be white and male than the general population, tea partyers also skew toward middle age or older. That's the tell. Most came of age in the 1960s, an era distinguished by widespread disrespect for government. In their wonder years, they learned that politics was about protesting the Establishment and shouting down the Man. No wonder they're doing that now.

Look closely at the tea partyer and what you see is a famil- iar American genus: a solidly middle-class, college-educated boomer, endowed by his creator with possessions, opinions and certain inalienable rights, the most important of which is the right to make sure you hear what he has to say.

The tea party is a harbinger of midlife crisis, not political crisis. For men of a certain age, it offers a counterculture experience familiar from adolescence -- underground radio, esoteric tracts, consciousness-raising teach-ins and rallies replete with extroverted behavior to shock the squares -- all paid for with ample cash.

The partyers are essentially replaying the '60s protest paradigm. (We're aging boomers ourselves, so we know it when we see it.) They fancy themselves the vanguard of a revolution, when in fact they are typical self-absorbed, privileged children used to having their way -- now -- and uninhibited about complaining loudly when they don't. It's the same demographic Spiro Agnew called "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

In a flashback of "turn on, tune in, drop out," the partyers reject mainstream culture, don the equivalent of Che T-shirts that say "Don't Tread on Me," and join sects with trippy names like Oath Keepers, Patriotic Resistance and Freedom Force. Instead of getting themselves "back to the garden," they get off the grid and, like the Bill Ayers crew, indulge in fantasies about armed rebellion against the establishment.

But the (often-overlooked) truth about the '60s is that the great accomplishments we associate with the era -- civil rights, putting a man on the moon -- were made not by boomers but by the generation born before World War II, which accepted shared sacrifice and saw it as an expression of their belief in duty, honor and country, not as socialism.

At Woodstock, Haight-Ashbury and the marches on Washington, the boomers socialized rather than sacrificed. They made great theater, and the media couldn't resist them. It still can't.

The tea partyers' pictures and sound bites are so good, no one cares that their math doesn't add up: Cut taxes and the deficit but keep your hands off my Medicare; do something about jobs but don't increase spending. Everyone understands it's about something deeper.

Ah, tea partyer, we know ye well. One of your signs says "Listen to ME!" That's all that's ever really mattered -- the original "me generation" grabbing the spotlight and the world's attention by whatever means necessary. The rest, whether beads, bell bottoms or birther slogans, is just a means to the same end.

Jim Spencer and Curtis Ellis are Democratic political consultants based in Boston and New York, respectively.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 10:41:32 AM »
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Jim Spencer and Curtis Ellis are Democratic political consultants based in Boston and New York, respectively.

Yep.

They don't get it. The 60s generation that pulled the crap they are writing about came from such places.

These people very often are in "flyover country." These "children of the 60s" either weren't involved in the stupidity or have been awakened by the realities of life.

Just another liberal piece about how anyone who doesn't believe what they do must be stupid. (Or evil.)
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 10:51:13 AM »
Or...

it could be that the Tea-Partiers in NY and Boston are largely represented by regressive hippies.

Tea-Partiers in different parts of the country are represented by different demographics.

My experience shows them to be predominantly young... but I tend to hang out with younger folks anyways.  I don't see a lot of 50+ former hippies in the Tea Party groups.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 10:51:35 AM »
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Neither "average Americans," as they like to portray themselves, nor trailer-park "Deliverance" throwbacks, as their lefty detractors would have us believe, tea partyers are more highly educated and wealthier than the rest of America. Nearly 75% are college educated, and two-thirds earn more than $50,000.

Oh, you mean they come from the productive class that is tired of being taken from? My wife grew up in a democrat household, you didn't really think too much, you voted dem. Long line of Minnesota farmers. Master's degree, liberal arts type, in education for awhile, Clinton voter etc. Now, every year at tax time she, as a self-employed producer, becomes a little more John Galtish. Her plans this year involve figuring out how to go to Europe and make it business related in her capacity as a travel writer. Buy more office and farm equipment, but be damned sure not to show anymore taxable income next year. She'll be loonier than Glenn Beck in a few years. Something wrong with the world if you have productive people thinking about working less.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 10:52:11 AM »
I wouldn't say they don't get it.  This reeks of political propaganda.  Purposeful disinformation most likely.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 11:02:02 AM »
Something wrong with the world if you have productive people thinking about working less.

THIS.

This is what happens when you steal from the productive class.

This is what liberals don't understand. They think the "economy" is just a machine and they can do whatever they want to it and suck as much wealth out as they want.

When people are overtaxed, they will underwork.

Liberals will cry about how they deserve to be taxed more (at a higher rate, actually, an equivalent rate would also make them taxed more) but don't care to look to second or third order effects.

Liberals can't see beyond their intentions to the further effects of their policies. They don't understand human nature.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 11:22:58 AM »
I wouldn't say they don't get it.  This reeks of political propaganda.  Purposeful disinformation most likely.

We have a winner...


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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 11:29:50 AM »
The political war is a moral war when all is said and done.  This is about the growing divide between the cans and the cannots.

The tea party people have come to recognize that they are members of an exploited class.
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 12:32:09 PM »
Yeah, that First Amendment thing only applies to Leftists  ;/
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 12:41:12 PM »
Yeah, that First Amendment thing only applies to Leftists  ;/

And corporations that happen to own newspapers. You sound like a bitter clinger, how about a re-educa...err.  vacation!
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 04:46:49 PM »
And corporations that happen to own newspapers. You sound like a bitter clinger, how about a re-educa...err.  vacation!

You dang right I'm bitter, and I shoot back too  :mad:
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 05:11:21 PM »
Well I'm only 26, I guess I should stop going.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 11:16:45 PM »
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Well I'm only 26, I guess I should stop going.

Maybe you look old for your age. ;)

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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 11:30:19 AM »
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A poll debunks assumptions about the movement, showing that it's largely middle-class, college-educated, white and male.

How does this 'debunk' assumptions? Wasn't it pretty much the assumption they made in the first place?
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 11:52:18 AM »
How does this 'debunk' assumptions? Wasn't it pretty much the assumption they made in the first place?

No, I think their original assumptions were that we were a bunch of inbred rednecks who share a half dozen teeth among us  ;/


Actually, I haven't been to a TP event, but I did go to a couple 9-12 affairs.  I sorta backed out of that because of the religious associations  =|
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 05:25:49 PM »
No, I think their original assumptions were that we were a bunch of inbred rednecks who share a half dozen teeth among us  ;/

Actually, there was a lot of talk about TP'ers wearing Brooks Brothers gear, which sort of proves MicroB's point.

Naturally, the Republican Party is frequently characterized as both "the wealthy" and as a mass of uneducated, inbred red-necks.  And then we characterize Democrats as both upper-middle class yuppies, while also accusing them of being welfare cheats.  Such is politics.   =)
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Re: LA Times on Tea Party Participants
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2010, 06:48:41 PM »
Yeah, that First Amendment thing only applies to Leftists  ;/

No kidding.  War protesters are "exercising" their right to free speech, but tea partiers are "abusing" theirs.  I swear, if some hippie shouted "FIRE" in a crowded theater, but claimed it was performance art based on the reactions of the frightened patrons, some wacky org would rush to his defense.  Shut down talk radio, though...

What really gets me about this kind of crap is that the authors *always* throw out that not only do the tea partiers spouse a "wrong" view, but that they know it's wrong and they don't care because the furthering of their cause will improve their position at the expense of others.

And then there's the hint, almost the assumption, that it's immoral to be white, successful, and/or male.

Sigh.