General Patton assassinated? KGB files released?

[gunsmith]

I was talking to a good friend and he told me General Patton was assassinated, that recently KGB files were released & that Patton wanted to use captured Nazi troops and his own to keep going into Russia to defeat Communism. Is this tin foil haberdashery?  ???I remember someone here saying that a lot of files were still untranslated, also  he claims that OSS and KGB were in on it. Have any of you heard of this? Did I miss something last year during my hiatus from innerwebs?

[RevDisk]

I was talking to a good friend and he told me General Patton was assassinated, that recently KGB files were released & that Patton wanted to use captured Nazi troops and his own to keep going into Russia to defeat Communism. Is this tin foil haberdashery?  ???I remember someone here saying that a lot of files were still untranslated, also  he claims that OSS and KGB were in on it. Have any of you heard of this? Did I miss something last year during my hiatus from innerwebs?

Patton did want to "turn the Germans around and order them forward".  He was not shy about expressing this belief.

Pretty much everyone believes Patton died of accidental causes.  He was in a Jeep accident with a US soldier and was taken to a regular military hospital.  So unless your friend believes the NKVD subverted a random Tech Sergeant, Patton's own driver and an entire hospital of US soldiers...   He's incorrect that the NKVD assassinated Patton.

FYI, you might want to remind your friend that the KGB was not organized until 1954. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469688,00.html

[gunsmith]

Patton did want to "turn the Germans around and order them forward".  He was not shy about expressing this belief.

Pretty much everyone believes Patton died of accidental causes.  He was in a Jeep accident with a US soldier and was taken to a regular military hospital.  So unless your friend believes the NKVD subverted a random Tech Sergeant, Patton's own driver and an entire hospital of US soldiers...   He's incorrect that the NKVD assassinated Patton.

FYI, you might want to remind your friend that the KGB was not organized until 1954. 

FACTS, YA GOTTA LOVE EM. ooop's caplock,sorry

[gunsmith]

he said NKVD is the "kinder gentler KGB" and the OSS was complicit, but my google fu turns up to much infowars BS, so I'll need a ton of real proof.

[alex_trebek]

I've heard this rumor for years. I don't think there is anything substantial to back it up.

[TommyGunn]

This rumor has been around probably since the day after the accident that killed Patton.
Patton's driver once gave an interview about it; he regarded it as an insult because he said the nature of the accident was such that no one could arrange it.
As far as the KGB not being around then; no it wasn't.  The Soviet secret service went through a variety of name changes, MGB, NKVD, and so on.  Changing it to KGB ("office of state security") really changed nothing but the name.  None of which is relevant to Patton's death.  If Truman had wanted to got ahead and shove the USSR back east I doubt offing Patton would have changed his mind.  America had the Japanese to take care of and weren't really interested in a fight against the USSR at the time.

[RevDisk]

If Truman had wanted to got ahead and shove the USSR back east I doubt offing Patton would have changed his mind.  America had the Japanese to take care of and weren't really interested in a fight against the USSR at the time.

It would have saved a hundred million lives and hundreds of billions if we nuked Moscow after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[roo_ster]

It would have saved a hundred million lives and hundreds of billions if we nuked Moscow after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

True, but you gotta remember that we went to war and made Germany the #1 priority to save the USSR, in the minds of many in the Federal Gov't.  Despite being attacked first by the Japanese.  These were the same folks who said it was none of our business right up until the start of Operation Barbarossa.

In many ways, WWII was the war to save totalitarian socialism from the wrong brand of totalitarian socialism.  We "won" and got 45 more years of socialist totalitarianism in Europe.  If that was the war aim, we performed brilliantly.  If not, I think I can find some flaws in execution.

[KD5NRH]

Pretty much everyone believes Patton died of accidental causes.  He was in a Jeep accident with a US soldier and was taken to a regular military hospital.

All they would have to do is infiltrate the auto industry and keep shoulder belts from becoming standard equipment in cars until after their target was dead.  Patton died in '45, and just six years later, the three-point harness was patented.  Coincidence?

[Tallpine]

All they would have to do is infiltrate the auto industry and keep shoulder belts from becoming standard equipment in cars until after their target was dead.  Patton died in '45, and just six years later, the three-point harness was patented.  Coincidence?

Yeah, but look what happened to Tucker... 


Wasn't there a donkey cart involved?  Maybe the donkey was KGB

[richyoung]

FACTS, YA GOTTA LOVE EM. ooop's caplock,sorry

Except so may of these "facts" - arent...for one thing, no jeep involved.....

[Bogie]

Yeah, Patton was in a big ol' car... (same model is in the Patton Museum at Knox).

[gunsmith]

well the smoking gun would of course these mysterious KGB files that claim it was orchestrated by Russian and Yankee intelligence and they cooperated.

Another fun file is the one purported to say Ted Kennedy worked with KGB too, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

[MechAg94]

It would have saved a hundred million lives and hundreds of billions if we nuked Moscow after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I thought we didn't have any more A-bombs after we dropped the two on Japan.  I had heard we only had a handful for 4 or 5 years afterward. 

[Scout26]

Yeah, Patton was in a big ol' car... (same model is in the Patton Museum at Knox).

IIRC, isn't it THE car that in the museum ??

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

yup    a caddy  a freakish accident  i had a friend die the same way  as he described it when he refused to go to the hospital "i didn't even spill my beer.  a spinal injury went undetected and killed him slowly

[Lee]

My dad grew up in the same area as the driver "Woody".  I'm not surprised that Woody moved to Michigan.  Ir was no fun being known as the guy who killed Patton....regardless if his driving had any bearing on the outcome.

[220_SWIFT]

I thought we didn't have any more A-bombs after we dropped the two on Japan.  I had heard we only had a handful for 4 or 5 years afterward.

If I remember correctly, there were four built.

1. Trinity (gadget)
2. Hiroshima (little boy)
3. Nagasaki (fat man)
4. Not detonated (unnamed and not 100% completed when the first two were dropped)

They were going to be ready for the third bomb to be dropped in the third week of August.  They also were going to be able to drop 3 in September and another 3 in October.

I'm not saying in any way we should have leveled Moscow, but that we did have more coming if needed.

[MicroBalrog]

NKVD was kinder and gentler? What now?

[Balog]

Gunsmith: when someone makes wild ass claims like that, it's kinda on them to show evidence. Some mysterious file, somewhere is not evidence.

[roo_ster]

Gunsmith: when someone makes wild ass claims like that, it's kinda on them to show evidence. Some mysterious file, somewhere is not evidence.

OTOH, when someone makes wild-ass claims like they ARE Patton, nobody requires documentation to think they are batshiite crazy.

[gunsmith]

Well, currently he is kind of my boss and an old friend ... so ... he can get away with saying he saw it on the internet some time ago and I'll just have to accept it, I'm in no position to be rocking boats, he hates when I prove him wrong. ...which I have a tendency to do.

[Boomhauer]

I thought we didn't have any more A-bombs after we dropped the two on Japan.  I had heard we only had a handful for 4 or 5 years afterward.

We still had more than Russia did (and we had a delivery system- B-29s). Russia didn't have nukes until what, 1947? First test in '49. They didn't have a delivery system until they finished reverse engineering the B-29s that they stole from us (and, hilariously, they copied them exactly enough to the point where they had the same problems the American '29s had)

[Waitone]

Patton was not in the loop when Roosevelt ceded eastern Europe to the Soviets.  He naively assumed his job was to win wars.