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« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2010, 09:24:28 PM »


But that's never been tried before!  Wink

I wonder if there is any (reasonable) objection to both privatizing security AND letting airlines make all their own rules on what to allow on board. So Airline A goes for the full pat-down and X-ray, no nail clippers or toothpaste on board; while Airline B just checks the no-fly list and puts a weapons-clearing station next to the door. Let the market decide between A, B, or somewhere in the middle.

What y'all think?
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« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2010, 09:27:32 PM »

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I think that's just a stupid idea.

Why would I want to clear my weapon?   grin

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« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2010, 09:34:29 PM »

I think that's just a stupid idea.

Why would I want to clear my weapon?   grin

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To switch over to your magazine of frangible ammunition, silly.
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« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2010, 09:36:52 PM »

Perhaps the way to fight back is to ridicule the TSA monkey.  Psychological warfare:  "You must have the crappiest job in the world, handling people's balls all day.  How do you keep from just shooting yourself in the mornings?"  And of course, "Who's your daddy?"  (Use your imagination for other more degrading things to say to turn the tables on the halfwit who is trying to humilate *you*)
Wouldn't make any difference unless you ridiculed the head monkey. It's not like the rank-and-file guys said "hey, we're bored here. The lines get through too fast. We want to see more nekkid old people, and want to frisk people's fat rolls. Can you help us out?"
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« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2010, 10:59:29 PM »

I know have to fly, every 2 weeks.  TSA employees are just a ladder rung above "do you want fries with your burger".  They are arrogant, do not even know what professionalism is, and treat people worse that I have seen cattle treated. 

I hope the backlash grows.  The Thanksgiving plan is a start, but I dont think it will make a dent. 
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« Reply #155 on: November 17, 2010, 02:41:33 AM »

When terrorists use a time delayed explosive in their anal cavity, will random cavity searches be required?

How about a few terrorists get on the same plane, all trained in CQB, and simply take over a plane full of sheep? If the 9/11 guys had no box cutters and just applied a few CQB techniques if anyone didn't fall in line would the end result have been different? If this happens will all passengers be required to wear locking restraints while on board?

You can't prevent every little thing some third world crazy can come up with. Hopefully the American public realizes that between the next season of American Idol premiers.
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« Reply #156 on: November 17, 2010, 05:03:36 AM »

But that's never been tried before!  Wink

I wonder if there is any (reasonable) objection to both privatizing security AND letting airlines make all their own rules on what to allow on board. So Airline A goes for the full pat-down and X-ray, no nail clippers or toothpaste on board; while Airline B just checks the no-fly list and puts a weapons-clearing station next to the door. Let the market decide between A, B, or somewhere in the middle.

What y'all think?

Its how it should be.  The government has no right feeling my testicles.  If the airline wants to, thats between me and them. 
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« Reply #157 on: November 17, 2010, 05:06:45 AM »

To switch over to your magazine of frangible ammunition, silly.

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« Reply #158 on: November 17, 2010, 05:33:34 AM »

You should read this thread on this fishing board I'm on.  Friggin conservative fascits....its for the children....its for your own good....you're un american for fighting this....  Face Palm!
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« Reply #159 on: November 17, 2010, 05:37:49 AM »

You should read this thread on this fishing board I'm on.  Friggin conservative fascits....its for the children....its for your own good....you're un american for fighting this....  Face Palm!

Fixed....I don't think the Founding Fathers would have supported any of this mess....but Hitler and Co. would have....
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« Reply #160 on: November 17, 2010, 05:56:14 AM »

Lupinus and kgbsquirrel are 100% spot-on.

At some point, we have to take responsibility for our own safety.

Heck "we" even did it for flight 93 once we realized it wasn't a typical hijacking.  "We" are 100% capable of defending a plane from any threats going forward, aside from the undefendable.  Anus/vaginal/surgical implant bombs, coercion or collaboration of TSA-cleared airline employees, things like that.

This isn't about security, though.  It's about cowing the public into submissive worker drones in the wake of the Tea Party elections.  The TSA complaints have been building in a manner that directly correlates to the political losses that the Obama administration has faced.  It wouldn't surprise me to find out about more intrusive civil liberties violations in other facets of public life, unrelated to the TSA but related to Federal programs some how.
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« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2010, 06:06:01 AM »

Fixed....I don't think the Founding Fathers would have supported any of this mess....but Hitler and Co. would have....

I don't think the FF's were conservative.

Conservative just means "wanting to maintain the status quo."  Look at the Stupid Party's track record, even.

Merriam Webster agrees with me:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative?show=0&t=1290002445

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Definition of CONSERVATIVE
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: preservative
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a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : progressive conservative
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a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional b : marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate> c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

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Definition of CONSERVATISM
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capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
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a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
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: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

They weren't looking to protect existing institutions.  Unless you consider the a priori illegitimate self governing bodies of New England.  Which they didn't preserve, either.

You don't call yourself a Revolutionary, a Patriot, and a High Minded Son of Liberty... and call yourself a Conservative at the same time.

"A Liberal is just a Conservative that hasn't made any money yet."

"A Conservative is just a Libertarian that hasn't been wronged by the State yet."
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« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2010, 06:07:07 AM »

To switch over to your magazine of frangible ammunition, silly.
Do you really think that aluminum skin of a jet liner will stop frangible ammo?  

The testing I have seen shows that a little bullet hole won't bother the jet or even the windows anyway.  Just puts a little hole in them.  Better to make sure you use good HP's and hit your target.  

Or if that don't work, bring a gas mask and a couple tear gas canisters.  Smiley  
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« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2010, 06:12:33 AM »

You don't call yourself a Revolutionary, a Patriot, and a High Minded Son of Liberty... and call yourself a Conservative at the same time.
True, if you want to use 100 year old definitions of the words.  By that measure, you wouldn't call Democrats liberal or progressive either.  They would just be hard left socialists of one stripe or another.  The modern use of those words today is very skewed from the dictionary definition.  I seriously doubt abortion ever entered the picture for the FF's either, but some people today think conservative means "pro-life". 
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« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2010, 06:21:07 AM »

Wow - this is insane.  I took my last flight on a commercial carrier with carry on only, and I got to take all the liquids and water I wanted.  No one asked me for a ticket to pass through security, I left my shoes on, and no one touched me. 

We're becoming an international laughing stock.

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« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2010, 06:22:03 AM »

It's about cowing the public into submissive worker drones in the wake of the Tea Party elections. 
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« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2010, 07:23:39 AM »

I'm not particularly laughing  sad
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« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2010, 07:24:20 AM »

You should read this thread on this fishing board I'm on.  Friggin conservative fascits....its for the children....its for your own good....you're un american for fighting this....  Face Palm!

I've seen this same stuff from "conservatives" and it's making me sick. I expect the "it will make us safe" "Let's ban X,Y &Z for our own good" crap from progressives, but I never thought so many conservatives would think this is okay. In conversations I have had on this topic, I've actually found more common ground with people on the left than with people on the right.

I've always considered myself a Republitarian, averaging around 60-70% Republican and 30-40% libertarian. Those numbers are rapidly reversing.
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« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2010, 07:30:42 AM »

Iowahawk has unearthed the TSA's theme song, "Comply With Me." 

It was composed to the same score used by "Come Fly With Me" sung most famously by Frank Sinatra.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2010/11/comply-with-me.html
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« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2010, 07:44:12 AM »

4 page document signed by some very knowledgeable PhDs and MDs about the effects of the TSA Backscatter Xray machines.
http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf
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« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2010, 08:10:00 AM »

us marshalls at a courthouse does not equal tsa  i don't care how loud alex jones says it

The TSA has promised us the images can't be saved.  Same machines.
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« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2010, 08:12:10 AM »

How about video of a TSA worker looking into a 3 year old's pants?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6pJ7nP1yA
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« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2010, 09:02:52 AM »

The TSA has promised us the images can't be saved.  Same machines.


No, they promised "won't".  They required in the procurement requirements that the images can be saved and transmitted.  Otherwise the machine isn't meeting the contract requirements and the vendor could face a lawsuit.
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« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2010, 09:26:13 AM »

from Leonard Cohen's "The Future:"

Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

When they said REPENT REPENT
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« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2010, 09:33:35 AM »

I don't think the FF's were conservative.

Conservative just means "wanting to maintain the status quo."  Look at the Stupid Party's track record, even.   ......     They weren't looking to protect existing institutions.  Unless you consider the a priori illegitimate self governing bodies of New England.  Which they didn't preserve, either.

You don't call yourself a Revolutionary, a Patriot, and a High Minded Son of Liberty... and call yourself a Conservative at the same time....

You are right; by our standards.   The term "liberal" today is NOT the same as what the founders would think and neither is "conservative."   We (or atleast myself) consider ourselves "conservative" because we want to "conserve" what the founders gave us.  NOT what King George considered "good" shocked  government.   I do disagree with your last sentence; you can consider yourself a patriot and a conservative.  You can also consider yourself "a High Minded Son of Liberty" and a patriot.  Now, the "revolutionary" part ... yeah, that doesn't go too well with "conservative", does it? rolleyes grin
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