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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #200 on: November 17, 2010, 08:44:24 PM »
Yes around the 30 second mark does look rather like it.

Irregardless, WTF purpose does it serve to give a detailed wanding to a three year old?

When they are adults it will seem the normal way to be treated. Teach em young.
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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #201 on: November 17, 2010, 08:58:43 PM »
calling that looking in the kids pants is a reach


http://hillbuzz.org/2009/12/28/could-the-underwear-bomb-herald-the-coming-diaper-bomb/

No, its not.  Even a quick peek at the kids diaper/underwear is going too far.

Where in the *expletive deleted*ck are we headed as a nation that this is even remotely accepted?
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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #202 on: November 17, 2010, 09:05:18 PM »
No, they promised "won't".  They required in the procurement requirements that the images can be saved and transmitted.  Otherwise the machine isn't meeting the contract requirements and the vendor could face a lawsuit.

Nyet.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-11-15-column15_ST1_N.htm

"The imaging technology that we use cannot store, export, print or transmit images."

You and I both know she is lying.  But the depth of the lie makes it even worse. 
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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #203 on: November 17, 2010, 09:07:37 PM »
Where in the *expletive deleted* are we headed as a nation that this is even remotely accepted?
I think we already know the answer, and it's a depressing one indeed.

Most of this outrage will fade as soon as the next season of American Idol or Lost or whatever the hell show people are currently zombified to rolls around to it's newest season.

If it doesn't maybe there is still some hope for America, but I will be mighty surprised.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #204 on: November 17, 2010, 09:44:12 PM »
CSD:

Bottom line WRT the risk level of these two types of machines(1) is that TSA has not released enough data to rule out significant risk.  The released data leave large holes for assumptions & estimates, not to mention the means in which they are applying the radiation in question.  Anyone with only the data that has been released who says, "no worries" is no more valid than those saying there is significant risk(2) & (3).


FTR, my degree is in physics and I do a bit of work with RF, IR, and other non-visible wavelength emitters & detectors.  To be more specific, I model them.  To do so, I need some pertinent bits of information about them.  Without those bits, I can not determine their effects/effectiveness.  In the current brouhaha, I could do some of the pertinent calculations...given the data. 

Right now we have the TSA saying "trust me" after the EPA can ruled x-ray radiation a cancer risk and with little understanding of the effects of mm wave radiation on humans.




(1)  That I know of.  Backscatter X rays and millimeter wave. 

(2) A couple of fellows I know who left my employer for greener pastures liken the risk of death by cancer from one of the x-ray devices as roughly equivalent to being killed by a terrorist.  Pretty darned small.  BUt, if one is doing risk analysis, the net to the flying public is a wash: no reduction in total risk, just trade cancer risks down the road for lower death by terrorist risk toady (assuming the x-ray device completely eliminates the risk of death by terrorists for that flight).

(3)  The risks for the mm wave devices is a BIG unknown.  There has been little testing done, but the simulations show some ugly results.  Much more testing on live critters really ought to be done before subjecting the general public to thalidomide mm wave radiation.

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #205 on: November 17, 2010, 10:02:21 PM »
Do you really think that aluminum skin of a jet liner will stop frangible ammo?

Not really. But there is a lot of other stuff tacked onto the inside of a modern aircraft's hull that might stop frangible ammunition.
But I'm with you about the actual necessity of using it.  It takes a really big hole to have an explosive decompression in an aircraft at high altitude.  And if you have a really big hole in your airplane, methinks you have other, more important problems to deal with.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #206 on: November 17, 2010, 10:04:33 PM »
Not really. But there is a lot of other stuff tacked onto the inside of a modern aircraft's hull that might stop frangible ammunition.
But I'm with you about the actual necessity of using it.  It takes a really big hole to have an explosive decompression in an aircraft at high altitude.  And if you have a really big hole in your airplane, methinks you have other, more important problems to deal with.

Do you mean the Hollyweird has been lying to me all this time?   ;/
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #207 on: November 17, 2010, 10:07:20 PM »
True, if you want to use 100 year old definitions of the words.  By that measure, you wouldn't call Democrats liberal or progressive either. 

And I don't.


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Pics or I call BS.  :P
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #208 on: November 17, 2010, 10:37:53 PM »

Pics or I call BS.  :P

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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2010, 11:48:19 PM »
Nyet.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-11-15-column15_ST1_N.htm

"The imaging technology that we use cannot store, export, print or transmit images."

You and I both know she is lying.  But the depth of the lie makes it even worse. 


http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf

3.1.1.2
3.1.1.3.1.2
3.1.1.5.1
and Appendix A.
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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #210 on: November 17, 2010, 11:55:43 PM »
A TSA guy called in to Rush and mentioned that the pictures could be saved, but weren't supposed to be (unless there was a weapon or other item detected, I guess).

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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #211 on: November 18, 2010, 12:00:28 AM »
Nyet.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-11-15-column15_ST1_N.htm

"The imaging technology that we use cannot store, export, print or transmit images."

You and I both know she is lying.  But the depth of the lie makes it even worse. 


This leaves the field wide open on the issue of storing, exporting, printing or transmitting 'data' or 'files'.  Technically speaking, it is not an image until the software assembles the bits and bytes into an image.
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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #212 on: November 18, 2010, 12:23:44 AM »
http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf

3.1.1.2
3.1.1.3.1.2
3.1.1.5.1
and Appendix A.

Oh yeah I saw that a long time ago.  Doesn't mean that Janet isn't a freaking liar.
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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #213 on: November 18, 2010, 12:29:35 AM »
So what are they going to do when somebody swallows a bunch of Semtex condoms with a cell phone detonator?
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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #214 on: November 18, 2010, 12:56:55 AM »
When you count on terror to justify tyranny, you might just get more than you bargained for.  Arrogance blinds people.
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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #215 on: November 18, 2010, 03:08:35 AM »
I might disagree with you guys on a lot, but i'm with many of you 100% on things like this, and that's why I'm still here :)

(about this being WAY TOO FAR and out of line, that is)
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #216 on: November 18, 2010, 04:34:52 AM »
Shouldn't we just nuke Fistful from orbit. Preemptively, as it were?
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #217 on: November 18, 2010, 05:55:56 AM »
Shouldn't we just nuke Fistful from orbit. Preemptively, as it were?

To clarify, I meant "site" as in his physical location and surrounding area....maybe even the ajacent states...just to be sure....
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #218 on: November 18, 2010, 08:08:39 AM »
Not really. But there is a lot of other stuff tacked onto the inside of a modern aircraft's hull that might stop frangible ammunition.
But I'm with you about the actual necessity of using it.  It takes a really big hole to have an explosive decompression in an aircraft at high altitude.  And if you have a really big hole in your airplane, methinks you have other, more important problems to deal with.

Frangible ammo is probably more applicable to this situation due to the cramped quarters and probability that an overpenatration will result in hitting a passenger.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #219 on: November 18, 2010, 09:00:08 AM »
Stopping the threat is the goal. Modern JHPs do that better than frangible.  No agency that I know of uses frangible ammo on aircraft. 
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Re: But the Nekkid Scanner Pics Aren't Saved!!!oneoneleventy1!
« Reply #220 on: November 18, 2010, 09:24:06 AM »
Logically, wouldn't the capability have to be there in order to preserve evidence for a potential investigation/trial? I'm not condoning this, just pointing out any suggestion that it can't/won't be done seems silly.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #221 on: November 18, 2010, 10:45:35 AM »
Another totalitarian masking as a conservative, meet Emmett Tyrrell.

http://townhall.com/columnists/EmmettTyrrell/2010/11/18/pat_me,_pat_me/page/1

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Re: TSA Plays "Pocket Pool" With Passenger's Equipment
« Reply #222 on: November 18, 2010, 10:46:25 AM »
We will do ANYTHING to avoid "profiling," anything to avoid doing what makes sense to win this war.  America should have mobilized nine years ago.  Our airports are the only place most Americans have any contact with The Great Unpleasantness.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #223 on: November 18, 2010, 10:49:16 AM »
So... what if you actually have something in your pants - like a zuchinni for instance?
(are vegetables illegal now?)

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #224 on: November 18, 2010, 11:00:41 AM »
So... what if you actually have something in your pants - like a zuchinni for instance?
(are vegetables illegal now?)

What do they do then  ???

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