TSA Super Thread

[TechMan]

Stopping the threat is the goal. Modern JHPs do that better than frangible.  No agency that I know of uses frangible ammo on aircraft. 

Fly320s, do you know what they recommend for the Flight Deck Officer program?  It would stand to reason that the Air Marshals would have a say as to what type of ammo is to be carried by an FDO.

[TechMan]

So... what if you actually have something in your pants - like a zuchinni for instance?
(are vegetables illegal now?)

What do they do then 

How bad is the backscatter going to hurt the animal smuggling trade?

[Tallpine]

Should a woman have to submit to being raped? I mean, after all, there might be a bomb up there.

Coming soon to an airport near you 

Holiday season is coming up - time for a body cavity bomber 

[Tallpine]

You trying to squash our freedom?

It's a growing worry.  We must be garden against it.

[longeyes]

The sooner we accept the fact that we are going to lose planes, malls, even cities, the sooner we will go on the offensive and do what's necessary.

Instead of going door to door in Afghanistan we need to go door to door in the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

We will do ANYTHING to avoid "profiling," anything to avoid doing what makes sense to win this war.  America should have mobilized nine years ago.  Our airports are the only place most Americans have any contact with The Great Unpleasantness.

profiling carrys the seeds for fail

[Ron]

profiling carrys the seeds for fail

wouldn't want to derail the win we have going on now would we?

[TommyGunn]

profiling carrys the seeds for fail

What does that mean?

You do realize there are different ways to profile, and, that no "profile" has to remain static? 
The Israelis seem to have it right.  They don't have airplanes falling out of the sky every day.

[BridgeRunner]

Pics or I call BS. 

Nekkid pics is not the same thing as nekkid.

[TechMan]

What does that mean?

You do realize there are different ways to profile, and, that no "profile" has to remain static? 
The Israelis seem to have it right.  They don't have airplanes falling out of the sky every day.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother  Interesting article.

[AZRedhawk44]

Nekkid pics is not the same thing as nekkid.

Which, I think, will be eerily close to the government's defense of TSA nekkid machines.

"It's not REALLY a strip search, and you're not REALLY nekkid.  We're just looking through your clothes and bypassing the consent involved in having you disrobe."

[CNYCacher]

"Introducing the American Traveler Dignity Act"

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=39467

Go, Ron!

[AZRedhawk44]

"Introducing the American Traveler Dignity Act"

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=39467

Go, Ron!

Everyone, write your critter!

Get 'em to co-sponsor.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you guys need to get that video off gizmodo   letting folks actually see the images that are spawning the zomg isn't wotking well.

[AZRedhawk44]

My letter:

Mr. Flake:

I write you to urge that you co-sponsor the newly proposed legislation that Dr. Paul from TX has presented to the House:  The American Traveler Dignity Act.

I tell you now, that I have sworn off flying.  I have a good life and would very much like to travel and visit parts of our country I've yet to see.  DC, NY, the home of the American Revolution in Lexington and Concord...there are many places in this country I'd like to explore.

But I'm not setting one foot on airport property if I'm subject to a choice of:
1. Either being compelled to have naked pictures taken of me
2. or being groped by a sub-$10/hr high school dropout bureaucrat

I tell you now, I absolutely will not relent in this.  I'll get my private pilot's license before submitting to such debased treatment.

Please fix our airport security.  Implement behavioral profiling.  Eliminate the "thousands standing around."  Eliminate the blanket accusation that the American people are the problem in this matter.  Remove the Federal Government from the issue entirely, and present airline security as the duty of the private carrier.  Give me a choice as a consumer, if I want to go on Airline A and get sexually assaulted by a sub-$10/hr goon, or Airline B that implements behavioral profiling.

Please, Mr. Flake: Support and co-sponsor Dr. Paul's American Traveler Dignity Act.

Find your critter:

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

[roo_ster]

Another totalitarian masking as a conservative, meet Emmett Tyrrell.

http://townhall.com/columnists/EmmettTyrrell/2010/11/18/pat_me,_pat_me/page/1
Hello Emmett, meet the internet. Have a look around and you will find many other sites pissed off about this too.


Seriously WTF? A soothing pat down is he trying to be funny or does he actually think that? What if the patter-downer looks like Mr. T? Gonna be happy about getting patted down then? How about when Mr. T grabs your junk?

<Mr T's voice> I PITY THE FOOL THAT OPS OUT!</Mr T's voice>

This.  Damned statists in conservative clothing.

Ron Paul in the House on this issue:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944

[CNYCacher]

What does that mean?

You do realize there are different ways to profile, and, that no "profile" has to remain static? 
The Israelis seem to have it right.  They don't have airplanes falling out of the sky every day.

In fairness, neither do we.  Before the TSA, even

[Jamisjockey]

This.  Damned statists in conservative clothing.

Ron Paul in the House on this issue:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944

I could literally almost spit into Ron Paul's district from my house.  As soon as we're looking to buy, I'm going to really try to buy in his district.

[BrokenPaw]

I wrote to my rep (Frank Wolf) using their web-form thingummy.

I was trying to use the word "alternative" in my message, and every time I wrote it, a dialog popped up telling me that, due to House regulations, I could not use the word "alter" in my message, and it edited it to spell it "al_ter".

So a couple things:

• What sort of idiotic program thinks that "alternative" and "alter" are equivalent?
• What sort of idiotic policy prohibits the use of the word "alter" in a message to a congressman?  Is it some sort of poor-man's SQL-injection filter?  I didn't use the words "insert", "drop", or "update" in my message; perhaps I should have, to see if they were on the Proscribed Words list, too.

[Doggy Daddy]

They probably meant to deny the word "altar" instead of "alter".

Separation of church and state, donchaknow.

DD

[BrokenPaw]

They probably meant to deny the word "altar" instead of "alter".
Separation of church and state, donchaknow.

I actually had that thought, too.  If you're right, then add a third item to my list:

• What sort of idiotic web programmer fails to know the difference between "alter"(v) and "altar"(n)?

[Jamisjockey]

profiling carrys the seeds for fail

I'm sure you're assuming all profiling is race based. 
El Al personnel are trained to sniff out things that just ain't right.  One way last minute cash flights. Nervous passengers.  No luggage.  Passport has all stamps from places that breed terrorists.
No, it ain't perfect. 
But here it is:
1) There is no Constitutional duty nor right for the Government to provide airport screening.
2) There is a right to not be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure
3) Criminals and suspects get frisked.  An American citizen flying should not be treated as an immediate suspect of a crime
4) The airline industry is a private enterprise.  The Government is interceding into a private transaction
5) Basic human dignity.  I should not have to worry about the TSA fondling my wife's boobs just so I can enter into a private contract with a private company to provide a service
6) Its an illusion of security. Checkpoints themselves are targets. And how long until we get a rectal-bomber? 
7) When is enough enough?
8) We were lied to, right to our faces.  They have told us they won't save the images. Lie.
9) The quality of TSA employees is suspect at best.  These people get to look at me naked?   

[sanglant]

a pubic school grad?






once more, spelling intentional. hey that one work on TSA employs as well.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

wouldn't want to derail the win we have going on now would we?

has someone blown up a plane recently i missed?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

1) There is no Constitutional duty nor right for the Government to provide airport screening. air travel on a private carrier
2) There is a right to not be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure and the right to refuse to fly
3) Criminals and suspects get frisked.  An American citizen flying should not be treated as an immediate suspect of a crime
4) The airline industry is a private enterprise.  The Government is interceding into a private transaction and the airlines are a regulated industry subject to the whims and vagaries of our gov
5) Basic human dignity.  I should not have to worry about the TSA fondling my wife's boobs just so I can enter into a private contract with a private company to provide a service even if i know in advance the preconditions and what to expect?
6) Its an illusion of security. Checkpoints themselves are targets. And how long until we get a rectal-bomber? its all a game and illusion to a great degree  the idea is to make certain methods difficult enough to steer the whackjobs elsewhere
7) When is enough enough?
Cool We were lied to, right to our faces.  They have told us they won't save the images. Lie.the us marshalls at the court house are not tsa  do you have a case where tsa saved images outside their training mode as outlined in the specs you so kindly provided?
9) The quality of TSA employees is suspect at best.  These people get to look at me naked? serves em right! there isn't enough money in the world for that   if the actual images shown in the gizmodo vid are real there is lil to worry about it would apear that the spec that requires enough distortion to preserve privacy and dignity is working  you have seen the actual images they showed?