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Re: TSA Super Thread
« Reply #400 on: November 22, 2010, 06:38:21 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

That's neat of them.
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« Reply #401 on: November 22, 2010, 07:19:32 PM »
And so this is how freedom dies - with applause  ;/
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« Reply #402 on: November 22, 2010, 07:22:22 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Then nearly 2/3rds of Americans are Stupid, or have been snowed.

You know what we need?  Some sort of list of rules, or limits on what government is allowed to do.  That way if the mojority of folks get scared, snowed, conned, or just don't care the .gov will know what it's not allowed to do.  It could include things like being secure in your home and person.


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Nevermind, some ahole will just call it a "living document" and say that following it lets the terrorists win.

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« Reply #403 on: November 22, 2010, 07:24:41 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

I trust that poll, like I trust the DNC not to raise taxes.  Who did they poll, 500 New Yorkers and 50 Pentagon workers?
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« Reply #404 on: November 22, 2010, 07:25:35 PM »
And so this is how freedom dies - with applause  ;/

Every time.  =(

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« Reply #405 on: November 22, 2010, 07:50:07 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
   [tinfoil]   Oh wonnerful ......


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« Reply #406 on: November 22, 2010, 08:03:11 PM »
Every time.  =(
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« Reply #407 on: November 22, 2010, 09:19:06 PM »
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and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Only a small percentage of Americans fly frequently (under 10 per cent).  It's certainly understandable most wouldn't be that troubled by what's going on.
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« Reply #408 on: November 22, 2010, 09:27:19 PM »
Only a small percentage of Americans fly frequently (under 10 per cent).  It's certainly understandable most wouldn't be that troubled by what's going on.

The most objections came from those who fly with some frequency. Sixty percent of men who fly at least once a year say the new pat-down goes too far, compared with 48 percent of women.
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« Reply #409 on: November 22, 2010, 09:43:20 PM »
Of course, the ones who fly most frequently also bear the most risk of getting blown up, and somehow are still not impressed with TSA Kabuki.

But one of the reasons that I don't fly at least once a year is in substantial part because of the TSA.  I wonder what proportion of non-flyers fall into category entirely or in part because of the TSA?  I know several of us here do, but it's hardly a random sampling.

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« Reply #410 on: November 22, 2010, 10:11:53 PM »
Of course, the ones who fly most frequently also bear the most risk of getting blown up, and somehow are still not impressed with TSA Kabuki.

Very good point. Just like with guns, what I eat, and what I drive -- the people who don't exercise freedoms I exercise always seem to be the ones who are most happy to restrict those freedoms, or to not care if those freedoms are restricted.

So people that aren't flying and aren't getting felt up think it's a great policy and that the rest of us should stop whining. Neato.
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« Reply #411 on: November 22, 2010, 11:40:46 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans are also as dumb as a box of rocks.

There, it's been clarified for you.
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« Reply #412 on: November 23, 2010, 12:28:26 AM »
cutting out the showers from now might be funny(redundant but still funny :laugh:)

but the best thing to do is charter. next choice for me would be flying with no less then 10 rifles/shotguns, and a pistol or two. [popcorn] intimidate the intimidators.

got a .50 cal?

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« Reply #413 on: November 23, 2010, 12:51:25 AM »

And the beat goes on ...

http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/tsa-airport-screeners-gone-wild-san-diego-again

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the San Diego Harbor Police arrested an area resident for refusal to complete the screening/security process yesterday
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The incident was confirmed by Harbor Police Sergeant Rakos who said Wolanyk was arrested on two misdemeanors, “failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01 and illegally recording the San Diego Airport Authority (they confiscated his iPhone); violation number 7.14 (a).”

Apparently there is a local ordinance that forbids recording of airport authority personnel.

Trivia note: Wolanyk successfully sued San Diego after he was arrested for openly carrying an unloaded firearm (which is not a crime in California).  He had the same legal representation (Jason Davis) as he does in this case.  Should be fun to watch the proceedings.

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« Reply #414 on: November 23, 2010, 01:08:12 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

I said on another forum that we should call these 2/3rd of "Americans" Americans In Name Only. AINO.

These people are going to be the ones that f*** it up (again) on Nov 6 2012 by electing either Obama or a RINO to the White House. They are a prime threat to our liberty (what's left of it, anyway).



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Re: TSA Super Thread
« Reply #415 on: November 23, 2010, 02:30:37 AM »
I'm buying a kilt.

I'm taking skivvies and trousers in my carry-on but wearing a kilt traditional style for going through security.

I plan on singing "Danny Boy" as the search begins and upping my register as the search nears the nads.

There's no regulation about singing, loudly.  If they try to shut me up I'm going all 1st Amendment on them.
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« Reply #416 on: November 23, 2010, 02:42:27 AM »
Matt... what's your waist size.

I'll loan you one of my kilts, if you promise to get video!
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« Reply #417 on: November 23, 2010, 03:35:16 AM »
Has anyone else observed that these supposed security procedures seem less designed to find explosives and weapons, and more designed to find cash, jewelry, drugs, etc ... ???

This times eleventy-BILLION.  Some have noticed - but those who matter most either are the ones who've implemented "administrative searches" which seem explicitly designed to get around those nasty, pesky Constitutional protections, or they SIMPLY DON'T CARE.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/22/AR2010112205514.html?hpid=topnews

and the survey says....

Nearly two-thirds of Americans support the new full-body security-screening machines at the country's airports, as most say they put higher priority on combating terrorism than protecting personal privacy, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

TSA has been claiming anywhere from 90-98%, at least until very recently.  Sad to say, the poll numbers would be a SUBSTANTIAL improvement...

And the beat goes on ...

http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/tsa-airport-screeners-gone-wild-san-diego-again
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Apparently there is a local ordinance that forbids recording of airport authority personnel.

Trivia note: Wolanyk successfully sued San Diego after he was arrested for openly carrying an unloaded firearm (which is not a crime in California).  He had the same legal representation (Jason Davis) as he does in this case.  Should be fun to watch the proceedings.

Yup - bike-shorts guy, I read about him on TS&S.  I look forward to finding out how the charges against him will proceed, since it was *TSA* that refused to complete the required screening.  He was just making it easier for them to do so, if that was what they really, ACTUALLY wanted to do.

Note that the second charge against him was for recording public servants engaged in official duties in a public location with no legitimate expectation of privacy, a charge also filed against the bystander who was caught recording the incident, and BOTH of their expensive phones were stolen "confiscated". :mad: [ar15]  Wonder how *THAT'S* going to play out, too.  If one was tempted to emulate these protesters, might I recommend using the cheapest cameraphone capable of running something like Qik, which will stream video straight to the Web for storage and playback, so your evidence doesn't disappear - and have the phone set so that you need to log in manually every time you use it, so they can't get at it easily.

I'm buying a kilt.

I'm taking skivvies and trousers in my carry-on but wearing a kilt traditional style for going through security.

I plan on singing "Danny Boy" as the search begins and upping my register as the search nears the nads.

There's no regulation about singing, loudly.  If they try to shut me up I'm going all 1st Amendment on them.

TSA has gone on record in the past saying that the First Amendment does not apply at the checkpoint, Matthew.

I'm reasonably sure they've "officially" reversed that position since - people go through checkpoints wearing shirts like this one: http://trollkiller.spreadshirt.com/the-tsa-wants-to-see-me-naked-A4967364 (has copies of the web-available Nude-O-Scope male and female front and rear scans as a 4-panel pic on the front of the shirt, for those who don't want to click).  However, I consider it highly likely that the screener(s) will regard either the traditionally-worn kilt or the singing as "interfering with the screening process", and threaten you with arrest.  Whether an airport cop would actually DO it?  Dunno - but if they don't, I predict TSA will delay you as long as they can, to try to keep you from making your flight.

Having said that - second the call for video, man!  If provided, I'd like to link it to Flyertalk's Travel Safety & Security forum, with permission.  Most of the folks there would *LOVE* it, and would help to make whatever happens go viral.  The more we expose TSA's absurdity, pettiness, and disregard for the Constitution and the rights of their PAYING CUSTOMERS (the flying public), the better!  I have no plans to fly in the near future - can't afford it right this second anyways - but will have to try and acquire a kilt before doing so for that exact purpose.  Well, I probably wouldn't sing, myself...

Oh - be sure to *INSIST* on your screener changing his gloves, as is your right.  Tell him you want to see them come out of the box!  Also insist, prior to your frisk, that they ensure you can CLOSELY monitor your personal belongings from the x-ray machine - they have no problem ensuring you can't see them (and thus risk theft of any valuables), if you don't make a fuss about it.

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« Reply #418 on: November 23, 2010, 10:14:01 AM »
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I said on another forum that we should call these 2/3rd of "Americans" Americans In Name Only. AINO.

These people are going to be the ones that f*** it up (again) on Nov 6 2012 by electing either Obama or a RINO to the White House. They are a prime threat to our liberty (what's left of it, anyway).

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Two-thirds may be an overstatement, but maybe not.  Lots of political zombies out there.  They will not figure in the resolution of what's forming.
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« Reply #419 on: November 23, 2010, 10:36:26 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332307/Now-abused-TSA-staff-vent-anger-security-patdown-searches.html

While I understand how frustrating their job might be, I'm just not working up any sympathy.

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« Reply #420 on: November 23, 2010, 11:02:38 AM »
It's similar to the situation in the schools.  Go deal with the people who put you into a no-win situation.  Don't blame us.  The DHS and TSA have forgotten that they work for us.  How much credibility do they have left?  From here it appears they don't care any more if they're credible, they're just telling us they're the boss of us.
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« Reply #421 on: November 23, 2010, 11:13:45 AM »
I believe the TSA Chief needs to find a brain and some common sense.

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« Reply #422 on: November 23, 2010, 11:33:41 AM »
The more I hear about John Pistole, the more I want to hear about him being found after an experimental concrete shoe bath in the middle of the Potomac.

He's such a highspeedlowdrag wannabe, I can't stand him.  Constantly talking about taking the TSA "to the next level."  Increasing security beyond even this invasive affront to dignity and rights at the airports, and then expanding same system randomly around the US in other transportation venues.

Makes me think of FIST checkpoints in Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

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Re: TSA Super Thread
« Reply #423 on: November 23, 2010, 11:48:04 AM »
The DHS should never have been born.  One more great Bush accomplishment.  Let's not rehab him too quickly, folks.
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« Reply #424 on: November 23, 2010, 12:03:22 PM »
The DHS should never have been born.  One more great Bush accomplishment.  Let's not rehab him too quickly, folks.

To be fair, the Republican-controlled Congress (including the resident Democrats) fell all over thyemselves approving and funding it.  It ain't ALL on W.