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« on: November 29, 2010, 10:14:15 PM »

What with all the OHTHENOES we'll only have Palin or RINO's to pick from in 2012, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned/seen Mitch Daniels, Indiana's governor.  Fiscal conservative, strong pro-2A, and executive experience (2 term governor).

I think he might be the dark horse in the Republican stable and could easily unseat Obama (along with cleaning his clock in a debate).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 01:29:46 PM »

Tell me more!
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 02:52:48 PM »

I've read that there are many people in the R party who are looking at Daniels. He's definitely got the bona fides.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 04:11:54 PM »

Tell me more. Slowly, and in a husky voice.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2010, 06:09:08 AM »

He's definitely got the bona fides.

My cousin had that. He had to see a specialist at Mayo.
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2010, 11:48:50 PM »

The GOP has no interest in actual conservatives. Maybe that's going to change, but there's a lot of inertia to overcome.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 01:28:37 AM »

Why has Gary Johnson not been mentioned yet?
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2010, 08:53:20 AM »

Tell me more. Slowly, and in a husky voice.

ROFL!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 11:19:57 AM »

Daniels is the real deal.  I've met the man, helped a little with his campaigns, seen what he's done in Indiana over the years.  He's a solid, common-sense, practical conservative.  He's articulate, likable, he's willing to do the right thing even when it's inconvenient, and he's a savvy politician. 

I sincerely hope he runs for Prez.  He could win, and he could really do some good in Washington.

The GOP has no interest in actual conservatives. Maybe that's going to change, but there's a lot of inertia to overcome.
rolleyes  Have you heard of this conservative GOP dood named Mitch Daniels...?
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 12:44:49 PM »

I've been thinking about Daniels as well (I'm only about 5 miles from being a Hoosier myself) but, I think I recall him saying he doesn't have a lot of interest in Presidential politics (he's perfect for the job!).
Too bad for us I guess. sad
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 07:52:38 AM »

rolleyes  Have you heard of this conservative GOP dood named Mitch Daniels...?

The senior party leadership, not individuals at lower levels. Also, do you really need to reflexively come to the defense of your party every time anyone says anything negative about them?
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 09:48:05 AM »

The senior party leadership, not individuals at lower levels. Also, do you really need to reflexively come to the defense of your party every time anyone says anything negative about them?

You forgot to put  rolleyes eyes at the end of ur post. grin
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 11:01:37 AM »

The senior party leadership, not individuals at lower levels.
I think you're confusing a lack of national press coverage for a lack of support from GOP leadership.  

Heck, Daniels is governor of a state, head of a state party, and a serious contender for presidential nominee.  Daniels doesn't just have senior party leadership, he is senior party leadership.

Also, do you really need to reflexively come to the defense of your party every time anyone says anything negative about them?
And do really need to reflexively attack my party every time someone says something good about one of them?  Here we have a thread about an actual conservative getting serious attention from the GOP as a potential 2012 nominee, and you feel the need to claim that the GOP has no interest in actual conservatives.  

It was a stupid remark, not to mention false and counterproductive.  So I called you on it.  

Cheers!   grin
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 11:42:26 AM »

In that case: what kind of conservative is Daniels? How is he better or worse than, say, Christie, Palin, or Johnson?
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 12:12:31 PM »

It was a stupid remark, not to mention false and counterproductive.  So I called you on it.  


I disagree. But I think we've reached a point where there's nothing to be gained by us arguing, so have fun.
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 04:28:07 PM »

In that case: what kind of conservative is Daniels? How is he better or worse than, say, Christie, Palin, or Johnson?
He's the pragmatic kind.  You probably wouldn't like him.   Tongue

Lessee, where to start...

Daniels turned a big budget deficit into a surplus, primarily though making the state bureaucracy run more efficiently.  He didn't hesitate to outsource state government functions whenever a private contractor could do the job cheaper.  

Daniels broke the state's public employee unions.  

When Daniels took office, the state highways were in bad shape.  They'd been neglected for years, and bringing them back into good repair was going to cost a boatload of money that we didn't have.  Daniels paid for it by leasing the IN Tollroad to some rich investors for $4 billion.  Some of that money was used to pay for the needed repairs, the rest went into a trust fund to pay for future maintenance so that we don't wind up in the same mess again.

Daniels is extremely pro-business, especially manufacturing.  Along with the highway improvements, the business environment allowed the state to land a bunch of big new factories.  While the rest of the midwest decays and crumbles, Indiana has big new factories from Honda, Toyota, Cummins, Nestle, Subaru, and probably some others that I don't remember off hand.  

Lifetime shall-issue carry permits.  Fill out the form, pay for the administrative costs, and it comes in the mail two or three weeks later.  Compare that to getting a carry permit in Illinois, Michigan, or Ohio.  It's not quite as good as Vermont-style carry, but it's the next best thing, and probably as good as it's ever going to get in the midwest.  

Daniels recently reformed the state's tax structure.  Previously the state was funded heavily through property taxes, and with the recent rise in property values a lot of people were losing their homes and farms because they pay the taxes.  The new tax structure relies heavily on the state sales tax.  The thinking is that when hard times hit you can't do anything to lessen the value of your property, but you can reduce your consumption.

Daniels switched the state employees over to health savings accounts, from the old bloated insurance plans they'd previously used.  HSA's, if you don't know, are the free-market solution to the nation's health insurance problems.

Daniels finally managed to switch the state onto daylight savings time.  Indiana was the only state that didnt' switch its clocks, which was a huge hassle for the people and an expense for businesses.  Politicians had been trying to get this done for decades, Daniels actually made it happen.

There's all sorts of other stuff he's done, big things and little things, that make the state run better and cheaper.  Overall, it adds up to a situation where the state does its jobs, does them reasonably well, and otherwise stays out of your way.  If you're really interested I'll try to put together a listing of it all.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 06:32:27 PM »

 
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 07:14:26 PM »

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Compare that to getting a carry permit in Illinois, Michigan, or Ohio. 

As far as I know, you can't get one at all in Illinois, I don't think Michigan, either. Don't know about Ohio. I see the point you're making overall, but I'm not sure where you're going with that one.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 09:22:51 PM »

I guess I'm already envisioning the gripes from the libertarian idealists, folks who would say a quick and easy lifetime carry permit is still a bunch of crap.  

I want people to take note of how significant this really is, in the proper context.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 10:37:00 PM »

Not that it's all that important, but Arizona doesn't observe daylight savings time.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2010, 02:43:19 AM »

And it IS possible to get a carry permit in both Ohio and Michigan. Not so in Illinois or Wisconsin (yet)...
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2010, 03:41:21 AM »

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This.

They work for us.  If we don't like what their doing they should be in fear of getting shitcanned.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2010, 04:59:05 AM »

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He's the pragmatic kind.  You probably wouldn't like him.   Tongue

I think what we differ in is our definition of what 'pragmatic' is.

Thank you for the very informative post.
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2010, 02:26:13 PM »

Why has Gary Johnson not been mentioned yet?

I like Johnson, but I'd rather see a real movement center behind Paul Ryan.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2010, 06:48:05 PM »

I like Johnson, but I'd rather see a real movement center behind Paul Ryan.

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Get up to the roundhouse on the cliff-top standing.
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Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind.
Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on,
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