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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2011, 01:13:13 PM »
Heh, Doug Powers says it better than I can. :)

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/03/26/lighten-up-for-earth-hour/
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2011, 01:17:10 PM »
Damn, even YouTube is advertising Earth Hour. Click on the little light bulb at the top of the page. "Earth Hour- One person has the power to make change."

There's nothing at all hypocritical about the fact that Youtube thrives on technology that is 100% dependent on electricity and petrochemicals, right? The absurdity is mind-numbing......

No, no, no, you don't understand...so long as they don't see how it's produced, it's free energy! Throw a few carbon credits in to buy some absolution, and it's A-OK!

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2011, 01:37:47 PM »
I don't have any problem with respecting and protecting nature.

What I have a problem with is this silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better while accomplishing nothing.  =(
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2011, 05:29:04 PM »
There's nothing at all hypocritical about the fact that Youtube thrives on technology that is 100% dependent on electricity and petrochemicals, [and most users are just wasting energy on fail videos and celebrity "tributes"] right?

Fixed that fer ya.
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2011, 05:35:21 PM »
My Earth Hour bonfire is ready to go.  One dead queen-size air mattress, one used truck tire, and a few gallons of used oil.   :lol:


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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2011, 05:56:35 PM »
I, for one, applaud D-Day's effort to rid the planet of a few of these anti-green atrocities.  That's the oily black cloud of mother earth love, right there, that's what that is.  =D

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2011, 07:23:48 PM »
I was kind of wondering what the power companies thought about all this "Earth Hour" stuff.

After all, they have a kind of regular schedule for bringing down their turbines and boilers and whatnot in anticipation of regular changes in demand.  And bringing them up again when demand increases

So all of a sudden at 8:30 in each time zone on one particular night the demand drops suddenly, then returns to normal in an hour.

Can these sudden changes be absorbed by the grid as a whole, or do individual local power companies suddenly have to take some turbines/generators off line, and then bring them up again?

Or do they just let the safety valves on the boilers "let go" for an hour?

My gut feeling is that the net effect of all this light-turning-out will be infinitesmal compared to the other overall constant demands on power, so as a practical matter, this here now "Earth Hour" is just another touchy-feely warm fuzzy alpropagandagore stunt.

That's what my guts feel.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2011, 07:33:38 PM »
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this here now "Earth Hour" is just another touchy-feely warm fuzzy alpropagandagore stunt.

That describes most of the enviroweenie bullshit.

It'd be cute and harmless and we could make fun of the stupid hippies...except the *expletive deleted*ers get in power and then force thier religion on the rest of us.
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2011, 08:49:26 PM »
and now youtube has a "light switch" that turns the background from white to black to remind us to turn our lights off! it's a real PIA because i hate the black background and it defaults to black with every movie you watch.... :mad:

i guess i'll go burn some tires.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2011, 11:51:49 PM »
Due to global warming, I spent Earth Hour 2011 in a gas-guzzling Chevy 2500, plowing snow.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2011, 01:15:37 AM »
Why do you guys even care?  And why would you burn mattresses, old oil and other junk?  Just to piss of the neighbors who are down wind????  Given the chance I'm going to build either an earth ship or a straw bale house and give the finger to the utility company, but other than that I really don't give a damn!  So what if some environmentalists want to have Earth Hour, Earth Day or even Earth Year! 


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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2011, 01:45:43 AM »
Wide screen TV showing DVR'd NASCAR race, three computers and two printers left on, lights on all over the house, ceiling fan running in my unoccupied office, soldering iron hot but unused on desk, fluorescent lights on over vegetable starts in the garage.  We've got our end covered.
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2011, 02:07:08 AM »
Why do you guys even care?  And why would you burn mattresses, old oil and other junk?  Just to piss of the neighbors who are down wind????  Given the chance I'm going to build either an earth ship or a straw bale house and give the finger to the utility company, but other than that I really don't give a damn!  So what if some environmentalists want to have Earth Hour, Earth Day or even Earth Year! 
"alpropagandagore stunt". <<<snicker>>> They play their games, we play ours. (Thanks, Gunny Hardman, "FMJ")
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And what is an "earth ship"?





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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2011, 02:11:16 AM »
Why do you guys even care?  And why would you burn mattresses, old oil and other junk?  Just to piss of the neighbors who are down wind????  Given the chance I'm going to build either an earth ship or a straw bale house and give the finger to the utility company, but other than that I really don't give a damn!  So what if some environmentalists want to have Earth Hour, Earth Day or even Earth Year! 

Because environmentalism has become a political and cultural war that has more to do with left-wing politics. Because we're tired of the guilt trips, alarm-ism and self-righteous smugitude.
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2011, 06:55:18 AM »
Environmentalism has long stopped being about the environment.

It has become a vehicle for anti-capitalist (not even leftist, just anti-capitalist).

For the last two centuries, capitalism, scientific and economic progress had - instead of coming to pieces in ever-expanding economical crises, like Marx predicted - made everybody in the world incredibly wealthy.

Economists estimate that the per-capita GDP in the United States in 1820 - already then one of the wealthiest countries in the world - stood at $1,257 per capita when translated into modern money. Today, the inhabitants of Lesotho are wealthier than this. The average Russian, Mexican, Kazakhstani is now orders of magnitude wealthier than the average American in the 1820's. The average per-capita income on the planet, according to the IMF, is $10,725.

And this is not even including wealth that cannot properly be measured with money. I am likely to live longer than the Americans of the Founding era. Thomas Jefferson, the most brilliant man on the North American continent in his lifetime, had owned 6700 books and donated them to the Library of Congress. There are now people who carry more books on their person. Next week I will go to Ireland. I will arrive within 8 hours, a time which includes spending 2 hours in Istanbul. I will travel in comfort that would be completely unimaginable even to the wealthiest men of 1820.

In short, capitalism in the general sense – the process of people buying and selling goods and engaging in the process of trade via the institutions of private property, investment, and banking – has succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of economists. Any sensible economist, even a Keynesian, believes now that the best way to ensure the greatest wealth and prosperity for the greatest number is to preserve this process at least in the general sense.

In a greater sense, Ayn Rand and Herbert Spencer were right. It turns out that the economy is not a zero-sum game. Money and resources are not re-allocated, they are made.

Neither did – like leftists predicted – capitalism lead to an intolerant, sexually-conservative bourgeois society. Nevada, San Francisco, Amsterdam are all products of capitalism and private property. Capitalism has led to the greatest liberalization of attitudes towards sex, political views, personal freedom known to the world.

But there are still people – mostly in the academic and para-academic world – that feel an inherent loathing of the capitalist system. They hate consumerism, they hate prosperity, they hate commercialization. They hate it for a variety of reasons – because a consumer can choose a book that the English Studies professor thinks is primitive, and his vote counts as much as the English studies professor's, because a consumer may reject the Film Studies' major's pathetic little student movie, because they've been taught by their environment to do so. There are great reasons they do it – but they all don't matter. Mises 'Anti-Capitalist Mentality' is the best document to read on this.

The important think to realize that the radical leftist hates you – and the modern radical leftist is worse than the Communist of the 1930's. The Communists at least believed in science, progress, dams, and medicine. They built DNEPROGES, they invented nuclear power and sent men to space.

The radical leftist is not – whatever he claims – a liberal. Having abandoned religion, he has required a justification for his belief that everything around him is morally wrong. Since it is now clear to anybody who cares to look that capitalism in the broad sense leads to more wealth and freedom for everyone, it only remains to hate wealth and freedom.

This does not mean that the scientists who propose the theory of AGW are wrong. I don't know and I don't care. It's not relevant to what I am talking about.

The ideology of the warmist as it is promoted in the media and environmentalist organizations has little to do with the science of global warming.

The warmist contends not only that AGW is true. He contends also that the only legitimate solution to it is his solution. In the warmist's universe, nuclear power is evil. Adjusting to the (Actually very limited) effects of warming is irresponsible. Geoengineering is morally wrong.

So what is left? Only the deliberate slashing of emissions and accepting a reduced standard of living for all. If you do not want to do this – if you don't want the government to ban the vehicles you like, or tax the food you like, or raise the price of electric power deliberately so you won't consume less – then you are evil.

Never mind the monstrous implications. Reducing the standard of living for  a European means a 24-inch TV and not a 32-inch TV. Reducing the standard of living for the African or Indian who made the TV means starvation. But who cares?

The person who believes in this chain of ideas – that not only is global warming coming, but that it is our duty to reduce our standard of living – is a complete moral monster. He is opposed to your right to the pursuit of happiness and this person hates. Your. Freedom.

The warmist is a monster. He is a well-dressed, tie-wearing monster who has managed to work himself into the respected echelons of society. He is the sort of person who will look at you and say: “Yeah, sure, in the modern world Indian children may feel happy that less of them are starving, but...”

This is why it is morally right to burn tires just to piss off these people. Because these people are monsters.
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2011, 07:06:46 AM »
Any sensible economist, even a Keynesian,

Any sensible human, even a buffet table, would have trouble processing the above phrase.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2011, 08:16:06 AM »
The person who believes in this chain of ideas – that not only is global warming coming, but that it is our duty to reduce our standard of living – is a complete moral monster. He is opposed to your right to the pursuit of happiness and this person hates. Your. Freedom.

The warmist is a monster. He is a well-dressed, tie-wearing monster who has managed to work himself into the respected echelons of society. He is the sort of person who will look at you and say: “Yeah, sure, in the modern world Indian children may feel happy that less of them are starving, but...”

This is why it is morally right to burn tires just to piss off these people. Because these people are monsters.

This applies to sundry items in the leftist program. Well said. I may use it against you someday.  =)


Any sensible human, even a buffet table, would have trouble processing the above phrase.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2011, 08:22:42 AM »
Any sensible economist, even a Keynesian,

But, apparently, not a Kenyan.....  ;/



This is why it is morally right to burn tires just to piss off these people. Because these people are monsters.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2011, 09:36:57 AM »
Too bad I didn't see this thread yesterday.

http://cei.org/human-achievement-hour
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2011, 09:47:24 AM »
haha, i like that link!

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2011, 11:36:27 AM »
Because environmentalism has become a political and cultural war that has more to do with left-wing politics. Because we're tired of the guilt trips, alarm-ism and self-righteous smugitude.

Yeah, that.

I plan on  building my retirement home to be as off-grid capable as possible without reducing my lifestyle, but that's my choice. I won't care if my neighbors put up an Al Gore style energy waster. That's their choice. I don't tell other people how to live, and I'm just tired of being constantly lectured to about what to drive, what to eat, and how to live. Perhaps I'm more irked about it than the average bear because where I live I'm so surrounded by that culture.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2011, 12:23:30 PM »
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Perhaps I'm more irked about it than the average bear because where I live I'm so surrounded by that culture.

The most lavish, consumerist culture in the world is anti-consumerist  ;/
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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 03:07:35 PM »
grislyatoms,

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And what is an "earth ship"?


One of these.  Minus the goofy bottle walls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship

Somebody here said it was morally right to burn tires, and that "these people" were monsters.   :facepalm:



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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2011, 03:16:31 PM »
grislyatoms,


One of these.  Minus the goofy bottle walls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship

Somebody here said it was morally right to burn tires, and that "these people" were monsters.   :facepalm:




None of us are burning tires, oil, mattresses or what have you (except maybe oil in a shop heater). Don't be ridiculous. We also don't litter or wantonly pollute water.   

And yeah, the enviromentalists have turn into monsters. Forcing their way on people, trying to wreck economies. Some of the more extreme have committed crimes "for the cause" and advocated human extinction. They don't have a problem if people die due to their deeds, whether directly or indirectly...

These monsters are enviro green on the outside, and communist red on the inside. Stop 'em before it's too late.


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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2011, 03:41:54 PM »
I'll reserve "monsters" for people like Jeffrey Dahlmer, Stalin, etc.  

I went and read a few posts back.  I got the quote wrong, here it is in full.

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This is why it is morally right to burn tires just to piss off these people. Because these people are monsters.
 

edit: just for the record, last night at 8:30 I was laying on the couch watching TV and drinking beer.