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Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« on: July 07, 2011, 08:52:27 PM »
Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Decides - REVERSES District, REMANDS for grant of injunction
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/9C0NWF4M.pdf

We reverse. The (lower) court’s decision turned on several legal
errors. To be fair, the standards for evaluating Second
Amendment claims are just emerging, and this type
of litigation is quite new. Still, the judge’s decision
reflects misunderstandings about the nature of the
plaintiffs’ harm, the structure of this kind of constitutional
claim, and the proper decision method for evaluating
alleged infringements of Second Amendment rights.

On the
present record, the plaintiffs are entitled to a preliminary
injunction against the firing‐range ban. The harm to their
Second Amendment rights cannot be remedied by damages,
their challenge has a strong likelihood of success on the
merits, and the City’s claimed harm to the public interest is
based entirely on speculation.
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This is a huge win.

It:

1. Creates a circuit split between Nordyke and Ezell.

2. Adopts the 1A irreparable harm standard meaning that we're going to be able to get TRO's or preliminary injunctions against laws that infringe the right to keep or bear arms.

3. Adopts strict scrutiny in everything but name.

4. Invalidates most of the newly revised ordinance.

5. Puts the en-banc 7th in a fun place.

6. Requires the evidence that lots of us has been saying is required to regulate the 2A. Realize that LCAV/CSGV/Brady et al now have to actually spend real money to fund real studies to find actual causation to have any attempt of making an ordinance/law stick. Sunnyvale would need to spend $25K to $75K creating a study of actual harm to pass an ordinance restricting an FFL - for example.

Preliminary injunctions are not final... but... They are un-final in name only. If you win a PI, you're going to win. Now, this may take a subtly different course because they changed the law, but the core concept here is that Chicago loses.

I have a hunch what SAF has in store for us, and damn its going to be fun!

This case begins a trend I expect a lot of. We create precedent out of California that we then dare California courts to create circuit splits on!

#WINNING!

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2011, 08:55:47 PM »
This indeed is shaping up to be the REAL MEAT AND POTATOES that Heller paved the way for.  =D

The other good thing is that even if the court is someday packed with liberal collectivists, there's going to be ever more prior case law that's going to be harder and harder for them to reverse on or dismantle.

Win.

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 12:36:29 AM »
SAF filed for an injunction today to stop the State of Illinois from enforcing the ban on concealed carry.

Ezell gave the precedent that "bans in all but name" will no longer pass in the 7th Circuit.  If a range ban impacts the core of the Right then a total carry ban certainly does as well.

Note also that the Supremes required MD's response to Holbrook's Writ asking "Does the RKBA described in Heller include carry for self-defense outside the home?" on or before July 15.  In the process of ruling against the plaintiff in that case the MD Supreme Court insulted the Supreme's Heller decision in general and Scalia in particular for "being vague".

The anti's days of saying carry bans are "reasonable" are coming to a middle.

If USSC comes down saying carry is part of the RKBA and intermediate-ish scrutiny applies then HI, NJ, MD and the other May(= No in practice) Issue states will be scrambling.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 12:44:01 AM »
As predicted Heller was just the first crack in the dam.  The chickens are coming home to roost.

Apologies for the poorly mixed metaphors.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 12:48:04 AM »
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Apologies for the poorly mixed metaphors.

How about "first crack in the henhouse" or "the salmon are coming home to roost"? ;)

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 12:51:07 AM »
How about "first crack in the henhouse" or "the salmon are coming home to roost"? ;)

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 07:37:33 AM »
actually, chickens coming home to roost is a good thing. if they didn't you would have to go out and round them up. I have tried chicken herding-not easy.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2011, 07:52:26 AM »
actually, chickens coming home to roost is a good thing. if they didn't you would have to go out and round them up. I have tried chicken herding-not easy.

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2011, 08:18:01 AM »
SAF filed for an injunction today to stop the State of Illinois from enforcing the ban on concealed carry.


I saw that last night.

Illinois bans open and concealed carry. A win on this topic does not mean IL will get CC. But might get OC, or whatever compromise IL legislature can come up with.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2011, 10:09:05 AM »
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2011, 07:15:02 PM »
I saw that last night.

Illinois bans open and concealed carry. A win on this topic does not mean IL will get CC. But might get OC, or whatever compromise IL legislature can come up with.

If we get the injunction, we might go straight to Constitutional Carry.   If that happens the legislature will have a very hard time trying to come up with legislation that reduces that, since it will have been ruled a "right".

Unless the Chicago Dems get smart and pass HB0148 before that happens.  Then they can point at "reasonable regulations" with a system in place that doesn't restrict the right.

The Chicago Dems are very much between a rock and very hard place.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2011, 08:13:24 PM »
I saw that last night.

Illinois bans open and concealed carry. A win on this topic does not mean IL will get CC. But might get OC, or whatever compromise IL legislature can come up with.

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 12:54:29 AM »
hopefully Judges will soon get tired of the typical hijnks.


They saw right thru it this time, Chicago was so cute, no ranges allowed but you need range time to own, oh you're on you're way to the range with a gun? go straight to jail evil gunnie, it cant leave your house.

Now ranges may be as protected as the 2A!

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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 02:07:03 AM »
Politicians and bureaucrats are considered productive if they swarm the populace like a plague of locust, devouring all substance in their path and leaving a swath of destruction like a firestorm. The technical term is "bipartisanship".
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 03:01:17 PM »
gets more interesting!
http://volokh.com/2011/07/08/ezell/

Reading the comments on that make my head hurt :facepalm:.
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Re: Ezell v. Chicago, 7th Circut, big win for gunnies
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2011, 11:42:09 PM »
This also could be the first crack to allow national concealed carry with just your state's permit or whatever they call it.  Or even better no permit needed.
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