E15 fuel released, but no one should use it

[AZRedhawk44]

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/

Kinda funny how the GM vehicle group isn't warning people off of E15, despite Ford, BMW, Honda and many others.

[Boomhauer]

Gorramit! SON OF A BITCH EPA BASTARDS

[Jamisjockey]

Luckily my truck is flex fuel. I use that as my excuse to park in any "alternative fuel vehicle" spots I see.
 I think the wife's flex won't take anything more than E10 though, not sure, ill hafta look.

[bedlamite]

I don't even use E10 if I can help it. There are a couple local stations that sell ethanol free fuel, I buy it from them.

[41magsnub]

I don't even use E10 if I can help it. There are a couple local stations that sell ethanol free fuel, I buy it from them.

Same here.  However, in my town during the winter months 10% is mandatory at all levels.  I have to go out of town for ethanol free.  In the summer it is only in premium fuel.

[Cliffh]

Crap!  None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*it.  Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.

I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.

[bedlamite]

Crap!  None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*.  Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.

I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.

For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.

[HankB]

The produces of fuel ethanol have BOUGHT both state and Federal legislatures to mandate dilution of our fuel, and the Obama administration LOVES it as it helps diminish America. 

The liars claim that there's only a 3% fuel economy penalty with 10% dilution . . .

Nope.

In testing by myself and colleagues, the mileage penalty is 2 - 4 times greater.

%$#@! liars.

[Boomhauer]

Crap!  None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*.  Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.

I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.

I haven't had problems like that, but I have replaced plenty of fuel lines, fuel filters, and rebuilt carbs due to ethanol eating the rubber, seals, and gumming them up.

Haven't had any problems in our vehicles from 10% ethanol but I suspect that is due to frequent cycling of the fuel through them since we drive them most every day.

Sounds like some of your issues may be from fuel with a lot more than 10% ethanol in it due to a supplier screwup.

[RoadKingLarry]

The closest place for me to buy non-ethanol gas is about 12 miles away. I usually fill 3 5 gallon cans and my pickup when I go. I use the pure gas in all my small engine stuff and if I have to put E10 in anything else I add Sta-bil ethanol treatment.

[Hawkmoon]

I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?

[41magsnub]

I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?

Can't speak to your area but around here it varies wildly.  One Cenex station but not the others has it sometimes.  One indy Conoco station does, and randomly other stations do on no pattern I can discerne.

[seeker_two]

Every time I see someone touting E15, I get the urge to burn down Iowa.... 

[Ron]

I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?

A quick google came up with this site:

http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp

[Jamisjockey]

E10 has been hell on the boating industry, and I'd argue it's possibly contributory to several deaths.

[TechMan]

Every time I see someone touting E15, I get the urge to burn down Iowa.... 

I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.

[seeker_two]

I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.

I just gave him fair warning..... 

[SteveS]

I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.

Then how about South Dakota?  I saw ethanol production facilities there.

[seeker_two]

Then how about South Dakota?  I saw ethanol production facilities there.

So is Harley-Davidson & Sturgis.....don't really want to get on the bikers' bad side....

[Scout26]

So is Harley-Davidson & Sturgis.....don't really want to get on the bikers' bad side....

Iowa it is then !!!


I'm in Illinois, there's nowhere here that you can find pure gas anymore.  Everything is E10.  And yeah E15 will kill your vehicle.

[MillCreek]

It is pretty much a given that you cannot consistently find pure gas anywhere in Western Washington.  The refineries up in Anacortes, Cherry Point and Tacoma add ethanol to all of the gas.  There are some stations in Central and Eastern Washington that get pure gasoline from refineries/jobbers in Wyoming and Montana.  I have not yet seen E-15 in this area. 

[Boomhauer]

E10 has been hell on the boating industry, and I'd argue it's possibly contributory to several deaths.

Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues

[Jamisjockey]

Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues

Not sure what it does to plane engines.  It has caused a number of boat fires.  No idea what the actual numbers might be, but when it eats up seals and through older gas tanks 50 miles off shore there might not be a boat left to inspect.

[AZRedhawk44]

Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues

I've heard E-gas is banned by the FAA for general aviation.

[Boomhauer]

Not sure what it does to plane engines.  It has caused a number of boat fires.  No idea what the actual numbers might be, but when it eats up seals and through older gas tanks 50 miles off shore there might not be a boat left to inspect.

For my example my D model 182 has fuel bladders that it would eat like candy...not to mention the rest of the fuel delivery system, carb and so forth.