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telewinz

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Brief Hitler/Roosevelt & change the outcome of WW2
« on: April 11, 2005, 04:06:51 PM »
You can push a button and be zapped back in time to meet in private with Hitler or Roosevelt (your choice) in 1940.  He doesn't expect you so you must convince him you are genuine.  Only your living body (no gags or tricks) can be transported...how do you convince your choice (assume a reasonable person) to take you serious and what information can you give that will decisively change the outcome of the war?
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 04:57:16 PM »
1.  Make sure my living body is as highly trained as possible in unarmed combat and Ninja assassination techniques.

2.  Make sure my living body is clad from head to foot in bullet-proof clothing.

3.  Kill Hitler.  End of problem.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 06:23:59 PM »
Well, it can't be Hitler.  Since it will only be my living body, he'll notice I'm circumcised, and I won't be able to say two words before I'm shot!  cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 08:22:06 PM »
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You can push a button and be zapped back in time to meet in private with Hitler or Roosevelt (your choice) in 1940.  He doesn't expect you so you must convince him you are genuine.  Only your living body (no gags or tricks) can be transported...how do you convince your choice (assume a reasonable person) to take you serious and what information can you give that will decisively change the outcome of the war?
Nothing.

I don't think mucking about with time would be a good idea.   If I was close enough to press the button on the time machine, I'd be close enough to destroy it.  I'd do my best to completely vaporize said time machine.  Then I'd get to work destroying the research that created it.


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1.  Make sure my living body is as highly trained as possible in unarmed combat and Ninja assassination techniques.

2.  Make sure my living body is clad from head to foot in bullet-proof clothing.

3.  Kill Hitler.  End of problem.
Sadly, I think that Nazi Germany might have been able to fight the Allied forces to at least a stand-still if Hitler had left the war to his generals.   There are rumors that he made military decisions by astrology.   At best, he was very incompotent as a military strategist, regardless of where his "insight" came from.  I'd be more inclined to kill some of the more skilled Axis generals or scientists.   But, if Germany had folded like an accordian because the best Nazi Generals were killed, would Stalin have been able to grab even more territory than he did after WWII?  Maybe all of Europe?  


If Roosevelt had been warned in 1940 and wiped the floor with the Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor, would America have been motivated and mobilized to the extent it was due to the damage inflicted at Pearl Harbor?   With no single event to rally popular opinion, would America have supported getting involved in Europe whatsoever?  Maybe.  Doubtfully.

1940 would have been too late to convince Roosevelt not to pass the National Firearms Act, also.  Drat.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2005, 04:17:00 AM »
But for Hitler, the plan that defeated France (developed by Manstein) would not have been put in place.  The Germans would, in fact, have played right into the hands of the French, instead of the other way around.  Hitler in fact made some good short-term strategic decisions early on in the war.  Of course, it goes without saying that the long-term strategy of going to war in the first place was stupid for Germany.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2005, 08:32:57 AM »
To hell with that.

I'd go back, get a job, dump as much money as I could into the blue chip market to capitalize on the amazing civilian sector growth of the 1950s and 1960s, and zap home again, a much wealthier person.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2005, 08:56:19 PM »
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Well, it can't be Hitler.  Since it will only be my living body, he'll notice I'm circumcised, and I won't be able to say two words before I'm shot!  cheesy
Actually i think that seeing someone from the future who is clearly well groomed and fed despite being circumsised would be very discouraging for Hitler and would go a long way towards convincing him of the futility of his actions.

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2005, 12:35:00 AM »
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To hell with that.

I'd go back, get a job, dump as much money as I could into the blue chip market to capitalize on the amazing civilian sector growth of the 1950s and 1960s, and zap home again, a much wealthier person.
Who said anything about being "zapped" back home?
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2005, 05:34:24 AM »
"Who said anything about being "zapped" back home?"

I did.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2005, 07:18:11 AM »
c_yeager,

   I think you give Hitler too much credibility in the rationality department.  You also have to look at the "team" each leader surrounded himself with.  The Third Reich as an almost holy destiny was a very powerful image.  I'd have to convince Goerbbels, Himmler, and all the rest.  Roosevelt would be the way to go, assuming i wanted to change history.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2005, 11:42:17 PM »
You have to consider who was surrounding Roosevelt at the time too. There is no way he could have gotten a congress that was dealing with a depression to mount another war in Europe without some provocation (Pearl Harbour). I think the best bet would be to get in touch with the PREWAR German government and convince them to "dissapear" Hitler while he was still rousing support in beer halls.

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2005, 12:49:48 PM »
This premise would have to be based on either or both Hitler and FDR being reasonable.

Both were socialists.

Neither were reasonable.
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