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FBI cant?
« on: December 12, 2013, 03:10:24 PM »
What's it for? Is it just for easier concealability?
Is there any point to using a FBI cant holster to smaller pistols?
Am I missing something?
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 03:30:13 PM »
Better concealibility for larger handguns.

Dunno about smaller handguns, I just favor the cant for ccw of medium to large pistols.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 03:30:22 PM »
For carrying behind the hip, maybe  ???
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2013, 03:40:37 PM »
I prefer thieves' cant to bureaucratic thug FBI cant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thieves'_cant
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2013, 03:51:14 PM »
FBI cant do anything right  :P
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 04:25:59 PM »
I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it.  It just creates an angular pull against the draw direction of the holster without some serious practice to ingrain the muscle memory/reflexes to draw at the angle matching the cant.

You’re also adding just a few more degrees of rotation or fractional seconds to get the muzzle on target anyway.

I guess a canted holster makes sense if it gets it back to vertical though on your particular pants/belt/body shape.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 04:31:01 PM »
I think this:
Better concealibility for larger handguns.

Dunno about smaller handguns, I just favor the cant for ccw of medium to large pistols.

and this:
For carrying behind the hip, maybe  ???

in addition to putting the gun in a closer-to-vertical position while seated, especially in a vehicle.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 04:33:12 PM »
I like a slight forward slant on my OWB holsters.  I find it aligns the grip with my hand more naturally.  I'd say the cant is twenty degrees or less, not fully horizontal.  I'm RH and wear it about 4-4:30.

My first reaction when reading this thread title was, "FBI can't . . . do what?"
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 04:37:27 PM »
I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it.  It just creates an angular pull against the draw direction of the holster without some serious practice to ingrain the muscle memory/reflexes to draw at the angle matching the cant.
You’re also adding just a few more degrees of rotation or fractional seconds to get the muzzle on target anyway.
I guess a canted holster makes sense if it gets it back to vertical though on your particular pants/belt/body shape.


This is assuming that one only draws using their hands.

Use your hips to draw the gun as well.

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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 04:49:14 PM »
I'm guessing that consistency in training was part of the idea as well. Personally, I like the angle.

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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 05:58:51 PM »
I find it screws up most rigid holsters something fierce that have any kind of retention beyond a thumb strap (like a form-fitting trigger guard) and makes draw insanely difficult. I guess it works okay on soft leather holsters that are more forgiving, but well molded kydex, don’t bother, even if the mounting options allow it. 


I guess that explains why just about every strong-side hip holster is made that way.  ???

Works for me, so far.
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Re: Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 06:57:21 PM »
FBI can't is 15deg.  Works for me.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 09:44:36 PM »
I carry a small pistol, and I tried straight vertical, but it's much harder to draw than with a cant.  YMMV, of course.

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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 10:04:43 PM »
YMMV, of course.

Probably the most important thing uttered in this thread.

Some carry methods work beautifully for some people, but terribly for others. I came across a forum thread in which someone insisted that a Govt. Model simply couldn't be worn comfortably. No matter how well-constructed the carry gear, it would always be pulling one's pants down.  :rofl:
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2013, 08:08:00 AM »
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I carry a small pistol, and I tried straight vertical, but it's much harder to draw than with a cant.  YMMV, of course.

As Fistful said about YMMV....

It seems easier or more natural for me to draw and present from the hip with a vertical holster. I recently picked up a DeSantis scabbard holster for an M&P Shield, it carries fantastically, but the draw feels a bit unnatural for me while standing- I found the angle to be great while sitting though.  It might be becuase my right wrist isn't as flexible as normal due to an old injury. I don't know...
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2013, 07:16:19 PM »
I use the uncanted slots with the holster I bought with my new plastic gun, but (as always) in crossdraw, 9:30ish o'clock.  This positioned it pretty well.  I tried it canted on my strong side and found it was ridiculous. with far too much arm-bending involved, so I moved it to the crossdraw position.

It's a molded holster and I'm pretty sure I don't like it.  I'm going to figure out how to soften it up, especially around the trigger guard area.  It looks perfeshunil and all taktikul, but, um, it's, um, concealed anyhow.  Duh. 

And I live in fear that the retention straps are going to grab the DA trigger on re-holstering.  Probably irrational, but then again, most of my fears are irrational.

I really liked carrying my 1911 at the aforesaid 9:30ish IWB sans any holster at all, and everybody thought I was crazy for doing that.

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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2013, 07:17:59 PM »
Double post.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2013, 09:11:19 PM »
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And I live in fear that the retention straps are going to grab the DA trigger on re-holstering.  Probably irrational, but then again, most of my fears are irrational.

I have that fear as well.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2013, 12:03:02 AM »
Actually, I'd prefer a reverse cant on that particular holster I referred to.  Sort of an IBF cant. Nyuck-nyuck-nyuck.

I tried some of the boxful of holsters I have, but none worked.  I also carried it bare-nekkid in my pants front pocket, but it printed badly.  (A small revolver in that pocket doesn't print as badly, because the cylinder bulge sort of makes it look like I've just got a pocketful of stuff.)
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2013, 12:08:49 AM »
...the cylinder bulge sort of makes it look like I've just got a pocketful of junk.


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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2013, 02:05:18 AM »
Oh, I think I just got it.  I shoulda used "stuff" instead of "junk."

I shall edit accordingly.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2013, 07:03:42 AM »
 =)  Just joshin' ya, man.
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2013, 07:06:49 AM »
Oh, I think I just got it.  I shoulda used "stuff" instead of "junk."

I shall edit accordingly.

Or just take a picture of it and send to BSL so she can add it to her collection  =D
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Re: FBI cant?
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2013, 11:14:15 AM »
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.  My mind just doesn't always work "that way."

Moving along, now, as I said, the cylinder protrudes from my pocket, making it look all bulgey, but it doesn't look like I'm packing a lot of firepower like the nine does.

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