G2R 9mm RIP ammo

[freakazoid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c&feature=youtu.be
Looks impressive.
Also, what in the world is that carbine? at 2:30?

Also, love the Richard Machowicz/Don LaFontaine narrator.

[Regolith]

If by impressive you mean "a really stupid gimmick" then sure. 

[Scout26]

I saw this on FB and posted it to Tam's page as she always interested in the latest and greatest in "high-speed" training "techniques" along with the newest exploding pants operator ammunition.

As an aside, other then poor weight retention, the un-known quality of the gelatin used, and the markeing hype, there's the preospect of sitting on the witness stand and having Mr. Tile-crawler questioning you regarding your choice of defensive ammo, then playing that youtube clip to jury.  "RIP ammo ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Freakazoid wasn't looking to protect himself, he was out for blood and by using RIP ammo, he didn't want to just stop the threat.  Oh no, he was looking kill whoever crossed his path."


Yeah, they need more exploding pants in their marketing materials.  That really hooks the true operators and shows that stuff can only be used those professional enough to handle it.  

[Jamisjockey]

Yeah no.

[lee n. field]

Company founded by ex-employees of Extreme Shock?

As an aside, other then poor weight retention, the un-known quality of the gelatin used, and the markeing hype, there's the preospect of sitting on the witness stand and having Mr. Tile-crawler questioning you regarding your choice of defensive ammo,

Vs. just buying the hollow point stuff from Walmart.

[HankB]

Individually CNC-machined projectiles are no doubt pricey . . . how much would it cost to fire 100 - 200 through your chosen self-defense firearm to establish reliability? And . . . I have reservations about the QC of small "boutique" brands of ammo.

The effects of full-auto fire on the gelatine blocks were not particularly impressive.

As for tile-crawlers . . . at least Glaser called their load the "SAFETY slug." (And saying you used a particular load "Because it was on sale at Wal Mart" would defuse allegations of your use of "exotic, super deadly" ammo.)

I can see justification for something like this in CA, since they seem determined to outlaw lead in bullets. But elsewhere?

[Boomhauer]

Oh its impressive alright...impressive at separating idiots from their money.

I cannot wait to be accosted at the gun counter by the first window licking retard who has a hi point with the magazine half full of this bullshit ammunition (because that's all said retard could afford) going on about how it's the most awesome ammunition in the world.

This is gimmicky bullshit marketed to the Taurus Judge and pistol bayonet crowd. I cannot wait to hear at the gun counter and gun forums about how awesome this bullshit ammunition is.

It's already spreading like a *expletive deleted*ing disease.

It's frangible ammunition (which SUCKS against people) dressed up all fancy

Personally I'll stick with Speer Gold Dots. Widely available, cost effective, very reliable, effective ammunition that is well known and does not rely on smoke and mirrors and bullshitium to get the job done.

[Sergeant Bob]

Oh its impressive alright...impressive at separating idiots from their money.

I cannot wait to be accosted at the gun counter by the first window licking retard who has a hi point with the magazine half full of this bullshit ammunition (because that's all said retard could afford) going on about how it's the most awesome ammunition in the world.

This is gimmicky bullshit marketed to the Taurus Judge and pistol bayonet crowd. I cannot wait to hear at the gun counter and gun forums about how awesome this bullshit ammunition is.

It's already spreading like a *expletive deleted* disease.

It's frangible ammunition (which SUCKS against people) dressed up all fancy

Personally I'll stick with Speer Gold Dots. Widely available, cost effective, very reliable, effective ammunition that is well known and does not rely on smoke and mirrors and bullshitium to get the job done.

Do we have an official APS curmudgeon? 

[Gewehr98]

He is kind of cranky, isn't he?

I'm still working on my case of those evil Black Talons I bought all those years ago. 

People ask me what they are, and I just say Winchester Ranger SXT.   

[just Warren]

Yawn. Wake me up when there's a version that's fissionable. 

[Fly320s]

Yawn. Wake me up when there's a version that's fissionable. 

Or made from depleted uranium.

[freakazoid]

It's frangible ammunition (which SUCKS against people) dressed up all fancy

I don't think it would be considered frangible ammunition. It seems more like a hollow point where instead of the sides curling back they separate into barbs creating their own wound channel.

[Ben]

He is kind of cranky, isn't he?

I'm still working on my case of those evil Black Talons I bought all those years ago. 

People ask me what they are, and I just say Winchester Ranger SXT.   

I still have a few boxes of those myself. Kind of wish I would have bought a case like you did. I could probably sell them today for 50% over what I paid. 

[Hawkmoon]

Do we have an official APS curmudgeon? 

I thought vaskidmark and I were vieing for that title.

[AZRedhawk44]

Holy Dooshie, Batman!

"The last round you'll ever need."  Hmm.  Nothing quite like an underweight 96gr 9mm round that sheds half its momentum and mass immediately on impact.

Might as well shoot the attacker with #7 bird shot from a shotgun.


I strongly suspect they watered down their gelatin for these vids.  I don't think a ~50gr 9mm half-projectile is going to go through 18-24" of properly calibrated gelatin, especially after using impact force to calve off a dozen splinters.

[Regolith]

Holy Dooshie, Batman!

"The last round you'll ever need."  Hmm.  Nothing quite like an underweight 96gr 9mm round that sheds half its momentum and mass immediately on impact.

Might as well shoot the attacker with #7 bird shot from a shotgun.


I strongly suspect they watered down their gelatin for these vids.  I don't think a ~50gr 9mm half-projectile is going to go through 18-24" of properly calibrated gelatin, especially after using impact force to calve off a dozen splinters.

This pretty much sums up my initial thoughts on the video. Especially the gelatin; I don't think I've ever seen completely clear ballistic gelatin before, and that makes me think it wasn't calibrated properly.

[Gewehr98]

It's not ballistic gelatin.

It's Perma-Gel.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/315783/perma-gel-ballistic-gel-mix

Different medium, and different results.

Here's the discussion:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?11100-quot-R-I-P-quot-Radically-Invasive-Projectile-quot

[lee n. field]

Here's the discussion:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?11100-quot-R-I-P-quot-Radically-Invasive-Projectile-quot

I think it's clear that most people will miss the point of this round. It's the most efficient round for G18 33 round mag dumps. It turns 33 rounds into 198 birdshot sized fragments plus 33 FMJ rounds that you can get on target within seconds. Run one in each hand and you're practically invincible.

Is there a "mall ninja" emoticon?

[Boomhauer]

Is there a "mall ninja" emoticon?

or

[AZRedhawk44]

or

Needs to be fatter, with moar gunz.  And a Segway.

[Boomhauer]

Needs to be fatter, with moar gunz.  And a Segway.

Well I can't just pull that out of my ass now

[Sergeant Bob]

He is kind of cranky, isn't he?

I'm still working on my case of those evil Black Talons I bought all those years ago. 

People ask me what they are, and I just say Winchester Ranger SXT.   

I personally think think Boom has won it naturally, hands down!

[Regolith]

I personally think think Boom has won it naturally, hands down!

I don't think he meets the "greybeard" requirement, though. Until he gets one of those he's just a misanthrope.   

[Ben]

I don't think he meets the "greybeard" requirement, though. Until he gets one of those he's just a misanthrope.   

If he keeps working at that park, he'll have grey hair within the year...

[vaskidmark]

I don't think it would be considered frangible ammunition. It seems more like a hollow point where instead of the sides curling back they separate into barbs creating their own wound channel.

You have awoken the APS Curmudgeon, and he is now awake.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/frangible  This stuff breaks - intentionally, too. 

It has a hollow point, which would be another discriptor of certain characteristics of the item.

It's made of copper (but not pure copper), for another descriptor.

So, most appropriately it should be described (ignoring a host of other descriptors of technical minutiae) as a 9 mm frangible hollow point copper alloy projectile.

Or a festering pile of brain-rotting hyperbole in search of someone already disenchanted with the performance of the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cqkT77LOgY  bolo bullet.

stay safe.