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https://ghostgunner.net/

I think this is brilliant, and the name is hilarious.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 01:08:18 PM »
https://ghostgunner.net/

I think this is brilliant, and the name is hilarious.

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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 01:25:16 PM »
+1 all of the above.

The DD guys are my bomb-throwing heroes.

At $1500, you won't save any $$$, but that is not the point.  Plus, they have plans for 1911 DIY software to supplement the AR15 80pct lower sw. 


Guns are to DIY manufacturing what porn is to the internet. The former drive innovation. Innovations facilitating the former benefit the latter by orders of magnitude.  Imagine such little boxes in every one-buffalo town in Africa with a PC, a generator, and a satelite link to the internet.  No more orderng a part from a 20YO JOhn Deere tractor from Illinois.  Just download the inputs, and make it RFN.  JD make money selling copies of its parts for near zero cost and African farmer gets his part that day.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 02:06:00 PM »
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 04:55:36 PM »
What would really be cool is if the mill itself were designed so the individual components of it could be manufactured by another GG mill, with special parts (electronics, motors, etc. ) being generally available on the open market.  >:D
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 05:07:14 PM »
It appears that finishing %80s are just the initial program, and 1911 frames may be next.  =)
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 05:28:44 PM »
What would be even cooler is if, instead of only selling the things, they also offered either a 1-month lease, or a buyback and refurb business.  How many times would the average person actually use this, anyway?  I'd look at it sort of like chamber reamers; well worth putting down the full cost as a deposit, but even better to get 75-90% of the money back after the one or two uses I'll ever need it for.

Failing that, a pass-around chain could easily be started, but lacks the protection inherent in having it return to the maker to be rechecked and serviced if necessary between users.

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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 06:00:44 PM »
What would be even cooler is if, instead of only selling the things, they also offered either a 1-month lease, or a buyback and refurb business.  How many times would the average person actually use this, anyway?  I'd look at it sort of like chamber reamers; well worth putting down the full cost as a deposit, but even better to get 75-90% of the money back after the one or two uses I'll ever need it for.

Failing that, a pass-around chain could easily be started, but lacks the protection inherent in having it return to the maker to be rechecked and serviced if necessary between users.

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You suddenly realize you could use, or would like to have, a full length 20" dedicated scope/optics/precision/varmint type rig, a harder hitting 6.8SPC, maybe a 10" Sig Brace "pistol" build for fun or SHTF/car carry, then maybe a .300blk is suddenly interesting to you if you're thinking about a suppressor, because you realize you've got a bunch of leftover .308 projectiles left over... Then there's the .22LR builds...

Besides from the nearly infinite number of variations and customizability, probably the biggest factor in the popularity of building AR's is that you can spread the costs out over time as your paycheck or the wife allows it, pounce on deals when you see them, and if you spread it out over time, you learn of new parts or accessories you hadn't thought of before, so the build winds up being something you hadn't even considered by the time it's done.

Then maybe after a few builds, or you change or upgrade a few parts, you suddenly have enough leftovers for one more whole other rifle as a beater, spare, or backup, and all you have to do is buy a $39 blowout fire-sale lower, or build a new 80% lower to put it together on.

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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 07:10:15 PM »
This idea is awesome!

I'm betting that there programs out there not being talked about to machine out a DIAS.
Just the threat of that can be incredibly subversive.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 07:17:59 PM »
Yeah. Building is addictive.  I keep looking at the 1911 80% reciever error and talking myself out of it. One day I'll fail.

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I'm betting that there programs out there not being talked about to machine out a DIAS.

A DIAS or Lightning Link is stupid easy to make. In many cases it's harder to make a  weapon SA then full auto. I'm sure there are a ton of home build, tax evading, FA's running around this country. I'm  on tempted at all thanks to Uncle Sam, but lots of folks are.

I'm always a little amazed that gun prohibitionists never seem to think anyone e in this country owns a drill press and grinder.

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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 08:20:08 PM »


Besides from the nearly infinite number of variations and customizability, probably the biggest factor in the popularity of building AR's is that you can spread the costs out over time as your paycheck or the wife allows it, pounce on deals when you see them, and if you spread it out over time, you learn of new parts or accessories you hadn't thought of before, so the build winds up being something you hadn't even considered by the time it's done.

This is bull.

Intent: "I'll buy this a piece at a time, spread the costs out, save cash, buy closeouts"

Reality: "I got a lower! Now to spread out my...


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*orders the entire rest of the build and slaps it on a CC*


Well then...
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 08:32:28 PM »
The key is to by the lower last, and ha e a couple builds "in progress". Then it's just a pile of parts in a box.

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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 08:44:35 PM »
does anyone have a dxf file of an AR lower? A cnc mill is really easy to build on a budget.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 09:45:08 PM »
This is bull.

Intent: "I'll buy this a piece at a time, spread the costs out, save cash, buy closeouts"

Reality: "I got a lower! Now to spread out my...


...



*orders the entire rest of the build and slaps it on a CC*


Well then...

Shhh!  This sort of thing shouldn't be spoken of on a public forum.  People might get the wrong idea about how reloading is rationalized as well.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 10:34:49 PM »
The video is really interesting. First, the music is instantly recognizable from being used in the film Chocolat, which is all about a free-spirited non-conformist subverting the autocratic rule of the traditionalist mayor. Second, and more importantly, most gun rights activists would put the "Ghost Gunner" in a respectable setting, surrounded by a smiling family. Wilson, who is only a gun rights activist insofar as it serves his anarchism, goes out of his way to put it in a cluttered garage, surrounded by (literally) shadowy figures, smoking cigars. He wants it to be scary. http://www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 06:11:53 AM »
Yeah. Building is addictive.  I keep looking at the 1911 80% reciever error and talking myself out of it. One day I'll fail.

A DIAS or Lightning Link is stupid easy to make. In many cases it's harder to make a  weapon SA then full auto. I'm sure there are a ton of home build, tax evading, FA's running around this country. I'm  on tempted at all thanks to Uncle Sam, but lots of folks are.

I'm always a little amazed that gun prohibitionists never seem to think anyone e in this country owns a drill press and grinder.

That is because they don't own one and wouldn't even know one if it bit them.  It is kind of like the people that don't know where the meat comes from in the grocery store.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2014, 09:36:34 AM »
The video is really interesting. First, the music is instantly recognizable from being used in the film Chocolat, which is all about a free-spirited non-conformist subverting the autocratic rule of the traditionalist mayor. Second, and more importantly, most gun rights activists would put the "Ghost Gunner" in a respectable setting, surrounded by a smiling family. Wilson, who is only a gun rights activist insofar as it serves his anarchism, goes out of his way to put it in a cluttered garage, surrounded by (literally) shadowy figures, smoking cigars. He wants it to be scary. http://www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
"instantly recognizable" and that movie don't come together for me.   =)
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2014, 06:42:32 PM »
"instantly recognizable" and that movie don't come together for me.   =)


I suspect it's more popular among the anti-gunners, hence more effective in that ad.
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Re: Defense Distributed's Ghost Gunner: an automated CNC mill for %80 lowers
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2014, 07:04:43 PM »
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I'm betting that there programs out there not being talked about to machine out a DIAS.

I have already seen them online at some point.
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Defense Distributed won their lawsuit against the DoD.  https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

They are running full speed ahead with their Ghost Gunner milling machine and 80% lowers of various types.

Edit to add their website: https://defcad.com/  and https://defdist.org/
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