And.. I'm done with Scott Walker.

[Andiron]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/01/walker-on-roll-for-potential-2016-wh-bid-says-open-to-sending-us-troops-to/

If he thinks it's a good idea to touch that tar baby, I can't vote for him.  Which sucks,  because he seemed like one of the better options available*. 

*Anyone the Dems hate THAT much can't be all bad.

[Ron]

He said he wouldn't rule it out; not really that hawkish.

Hopefully he is just trying to not make statements that he may have to backtrack on later.

 

[Andiron]

“We must take the fight to ISIS and other radical Islamic groups,” he told ABC.

That's the one that I meant.  Leaving the door open is something else entirely.  And I agree with killing the hell out of every crazy haji that want's a piece.  But not doing the same friggin' thing we've done for the past 2 wars.

[Brad Johnson]

“We must take the fight to ISIS and other radical Islamic groups,” he told ABC.

That's the one that I meant.  Leaving the door open is something else entirely.  And I agree with killing the hell out of every crazy haji that want's a piece.  But not doing the same friggin' thing we've done for the past 2 wars.

So you agree with him, but you don't agree with him?

I'm confused. The quote you referenced seems clear-cut. If he expressed what is a factually correct assessment of how to properly deal with terroristic extremists, why the angst and righteous indignation?

Brad

[Andiron]

Because they make all the right noises about fighting the obvious bad guy,  we get deployed,  and then it turns into a charlie foxtrot immediately.  Insane ROE for starters. 

Politicians are all about starting wars,  but they don't have the balls to back up the people that have to fight them.

[Brad Johnson]

Again, why the angst about Walker? He's not the one who's been mucking up current military ops so transferring anger to him based on his (correct) assessment is illogical. It's the current admin's lack of commitment to a strong proactive military strategy that's been the problem. His statement seems the polar opposite.

Brad

[French G.]

We're killing the crap out of them now. I sure specwar types are on the ground to liaison with the locals. No need to go all occupying army and build mega-bases, ISIS doesn't exactly have an infrastructure to re-build and win over. Kill the rat when it sticks it's head up, have contact with the locals so you know who not to bomb, let the locals move in and mop up. Or at least in the Kurdish areas.

what we need to stay out of is the trans-Syrian mess that is going to kick off when Jordan and KSA mobilize. 

[MechAg94]

Because they make all the right noises about fighting the obvious bad guy,  we get deployed,  and then it turns into a charlie foxtrot immediately.  Insane ROE for starters. 

Politicians are all about starting wars,  but they don't have the balls to back up the people that have to fight them.

The screwed up ROE's and the tendancy to want to occupy the area for decades are the main reasons I don't want to send troops anywhere.

[charby]

Scott Walker already produced enough fodder for the PAC attack ads to bury him.

With the $300M proposed cut to the UW system and $200M Investment in a public sports area, he will be sunk. Doesn't matter if you agree with him in those decisions, it such an easy target for the pro education group.

[Ron]

Scott Walker already produced enough fodder for the PAC attack ads to bury him.

With the $300M proposed cut to the UW system and $200M Investment in a public sports area, he will be sunk. Doesn't matter if you agree with him in those decisions, it such an easy target for the pro education group.

That's why we need to rally around Jeb Bush! That way we can win!

WooHoo! We Win!

 

[roo_ster]

Walker has already come out in support of call-it-anything-but-amnesty.  He supported the Rubio-Schumer bill a few years back and wants to increase legal immigration.

Anyone who will sell out the citizens like that won't get my vote. 

Scott Walker already produced enough fodder for the PAC attack ads to bury him.

With the $300M proposed cut to the UW system and $200M Investment in a public sports area, he will be sunk. Doesn't matter if you agree with him in those decisions, it such an easy target for the pro education educrat group.

Maybe so.  Walker is not my boy, but I think his history of beating bureaucritters like a drum indicates he can beat educrat PACs.

If Walker does become a front runner in the GOP cPOTUS  race, more attention will be paid to how he became a contender.  The more that story gets out, the less folk will care what educrat PACs say about him.  The greater the focus on educrats at public universities and gov't primary & secondary schools, the less sympathetic folk are the to educrat PACs. Little things like, "Many universities now have more administrators than they do instructors," tend to pour ice water over lots of those reflexively pro education spending.  Toss on things like the inflation rate of college tuition and sympathy quickly dries up.

Fat and sloppy bureaucrats & educrats thrive in the darkness where most folk can not see.  Expose them to sunlight and many are repulsed by the pasty bloated carcasses eating greedily and sloppily at the trough of taxpayers' dollars.

[brimic]

Scott Walker already produced enough fodder for the PAC attack ads to bury him.

With the $300M proposed cut to the UW system and $200M Investment in a public sports area, he will be sunk. Doesn't matter if you agree with him in those decisions, it such an easy target for the pro education group.

The UW system is a bloated mess. A year or two ago a 1+billion 'slush fund' was found within the system that had previoysly been unaccounted for.
The sports arena is bery unpopular in WI, as the most populpus counties wete saddled with an ectra sales tax to pay for miller park a dozen or so years ago.... Baseball at least has a following, noone cares much about basketball. Walker made the best of it by directing a 'jock tax' imposed on players. And owners to pay for the bonded part of the mew stadium.

I'm more upset with walker for denying the menomonee tribe from building a casino in Kenosha (on tje IL border)
Because of olitical pressure from the potowatamis who own a casino in milwaukee. If it were me, i would have not only given tjem permission, bit would have preapproved them to build another in milwaukee just to teach the poto scumbags a lesson.

[Mannlicher]

here we go again.  There is no candidate, or potential candidate, that all Conservatives can agree on.  Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot, when no one is politically or philosophically pure enough to suit more than a handful of people.

[roo_ster]

here we go again.  There is no candidate, or potential candidate, that all Conservatives can agree on.  Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot, when no one is politically or philosophically pure enough to suit more than a handful of people.

It doesn't take purity.  If the Stupid Party would read the polls they would find things like restricting immigration get majority support.  Same with slapping back Obamacare, cutting the budget, etc.  The GOP instead handicaps itself by running tje lapdogs of crony capitalists.

[Brad Johnson]

here we go again.  There is no candidate, or potential candidate, that all Conservatives can agree on.  Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot, when no one is politically or philosophically pure enough to suit more than a handful of people.

Well said and, unfortunately, all too true. We've lost some darned promising candidates over the years because some group or other got their panties in a wad about a particular issue without regard to the candidate's overall beliefs/qualifications. It's kinda sad that we've become so blinded by focus. Pet issues get people so emotionally blind that rational assessment is impossible. Politics and religion are bastions of this lunacy. It also makes people on both sides get uber-retarded when it comes to twisting words and ignoring context, spoken or heard.

What I really love is when a group shouts "the current office holder is bad and we want someone better!" then proceed to make sure nothing happens by issue-nitpicking good candidates out of contention. It's no wonder conservatives are having problems getting anything done. Half the damn time we defeat ourselves out of stubborn pride and infighting. Even more idiotic is when someone doesn't vote at all because their personal favorite candidate didn't make it. How effing dimwitted can you be?! Not voting for the candidate on your side is an automatic vote for the other side. Might as well put the opponent's sign in your yard because you're helping them win through inaction.

[Rant off]

Brad

[Andiron]

Again, why the angst about Walker? He's not the one who's been mucking up current military ops so transferring anger to him based on his (correct) assessment is illogical. It's the current admin's lack of commitment to a strong proactive military strategy that's been the problem. His statement seems the polar opposite.

Brad

I'm pissed because I LIKE Walker.  (not nuts about his immigration status,  but if he were anointed GOP candidate,  congress should be able to rein him in.)  I'm  mad because he has 11 odd years of pointless war and the associated debt as an example, and seems to think that more adventures in the Middle East are a Good Idea.

And that opinion excludes personal experiences from the recent unpleasantness.

Sorry,  probably shouldn't have even posted it that way,  but it pisses me off.  

[Balog]

I'm pissed because I LIKE Walker.  (not nuts about his immigration status,  but if he were anointed GOP candidate,  congress should be able to rein him in.)  I'm  mad because he has 11 odd years of pointless war and the associated debt as an example, and seems to think that more adventures in the Middle East is a Good Idea.

And that opinion excludes personal experiences from the recent unpleasantness.

Sorry,  probably shouldn't have even posted it that way,  but it pisses me off. 

 

Like they reigned Bush in on No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D and creation of the TSA and the Patriot Act and etc etc?

[Andiron]

Like they reigned Bush in on No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D and creation of the TSA and the Patriot Act and etc etc?

None of those have the slightest bit of knee-jerk clout amnesty does...

The Patriot Act was passed with a 98% vote.  I blame Medicare and NCLB  on apathy and special interests.

[RocketMan]

I'm pissed because I LIKE Walker.  (not nuts about his immigration status,  but if he were anointed GOP candidate,  congress should be able to rein him in.)  

Uh, no.  The Congressional leadership is quite happy with amnesty.  Walker would gleefully sign the amnesty bill they would inevitably send him were he President.

[MechAg94]

Has Walker indicated support for amnesty or do you just think he would tow the Establishment Party line?

Perfection is the enemy of the good with some of the stuff, but there are definite limits to applying that idea. 

[roo_ster]

Has Walker indicated support for amnesty or do you just think he would tow the Establishment Party line?

Perfection is the enemy of the good with some of the stuff, but there are definite limits to applying that idea. 

Walker was for the Rubio/Schumer amnesty.  Dissembles nowadays that he is a candidate.

[grampster]

What is so difficult in supporting securing the border and ports, then addressing the illegals that are already here.

Just my opinion, after the borders and ports are secure,  if an illegal has a job, is not collecting government aid, and has no criminal charges pending or in the recent past, along with a decent driving record with no alcohol convictions give him a pathway to citizenship and swearing allegiance to the US of A.  There is wishful thinking regarding the illegals that are here and then their is reality.

[Scout26]

I fully agree with the above except the part with regards to driving.   About the only thing rarer then hen's teeth is an illegal with a DL and insurance. (At least here in Chicago.)

The vast majority of hit and runs are illegals.

But yes, if you have a job and no medicare healthcare usage then fine, there should be a pathway to citizenship.  If they used medicare, they have to re-imburse the state whatever costs.  However, you should have to pay a fine (say $1000 per person), and no family re-unification BS.

You have 3 years to get right with the (new) law.  Anyone not doing the above gets shown the door.

After that, everyone entering illegally gets deported.  Bar none.