Freddy Gray, the fellow that they are destroying Baltimore for: His Rap Sheet

[Boomhauer]

I wonder what they aregoing to do for food and medicine once they burn or intimidate their pharmacies/food stores into closing? 
About the only entrepreneurial drive in those people is selling illegal narcotics

Two possibilities come to mind, the government trucking in food and such or the government relocating these *expletive deleted*s elsewhere ala Katrina.

[vaskidmark]

Bmore has issues the link to the "speech" is painful
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/02/baltimore-rally-burn-down-stores-to-get-them-out-of-our-communities/

Apparently, Brother Rose feels that the stores should be doing more than offering jobs and selling products.

“Without us running (unintelligible) Mondawmin Mall [the site of mass looting on Monday], taking back from the stores that have taken our dollars for how long, and not giving back to the community in any type of way.

Strangely, I had been under the impression that the way stores "gave back" was by paying dividends to investors.

stay safe.

[Jamisjockey]

I wonder what they aregoing to do for food and medicine once they burn or intimidate their pharmacies/food stores into closing? 
About the only entrepreneurial drive in those people is selling illegal narcotics

Those stores likely won't be back

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

[Ben]

According to the MD Governor, about 200 businesses were destroyed Monday night, with the majority of them minority owned.

[Viking]

According to the MD Governor, about 200 businesses were destroyed Monday night, with the majority of them minority owned.

Minorities burning down stores owned by minorities - not quite "Getting Back At The Manâ„¢".

[Jamisjockey]

Minorities burning down stores owned by minorities - not quite "Getting Back At The Manâ„¢".

It's not nor has it ever been about that.  Urban feral youths without regard for other people's life, property or livelyhood jump at the chance to riot, loot, and savage those around them.  The modern inner city is a pit of hopeless despair, where behavior and civilization is de-evolving.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I think he's a young entrepreneur  trying to follow a successful business plan the Al Sharpton plan someone is going to have to take over extorting from businesses when al retires

[Firethorn]

I wonder what they aregoing to do for food and medicine once they burn or intimidate their pharmacies/food stores into closing? 
About the only entrepreneurial drive in those people is selling illegal narcotics

I've been hearing that most of the protestors aren't actually from where they're protesting.  IE they're not actually shitting on their own lawn.

[Jamisjockey]

I've been hearing that most of the protestors aren't actually from where they're protesting.  IE they're not actually shitting on their own lawn.

Protesters, and probably some of the agitators.  But I bet the majority of looters are local.

[MechAg94]

I thought that was the case in Ferguson.  Most of the troublemakers were shipped in to fan the flames with a few locals joining.

Since the police have again pretty much allowed rioting to occurr, it is an open invitation to any troublmakers in the country to come on down. 

The question to me is:  How many were paid to go there and stir it up versus just there to cause trouble?

[Jamisjockey]

Most cities are run by progressives who support the efforts of the protestors and rioters, either covertly or overtly.

The ludicrous thing is that the indicted officers are a mix of 4 white and 2 black, and apparently Baltimore PD has a history of giving rough rides to people of all ethnicities. 

[Balog]

True, but does THAT justify  all the charges being levied against them?

If the arrest was illegal, then everything that happens after that is on them.

[Balog]

Minorities burning down stores owned by minorities - not quite "Getting Back At The Manâ„¢".

Please note that I am not advocating this in any way.

I'll take there "black lives matter FTP" shtick seriously when there is a large scale organized Chris Dorner movement. Until then it's just criminals looking for a chance to steal and burn stuff.

[TommyGunn]

If the arrest was illegal, then everything that happens after that is on them.

OK, but what I am actually getting at is what proof is there of what any particular officer did?
Some of the charges seem excessive.  
Keep one thing in mind -- we don't really know, really, a good narrative of how Mr. Grey's cervical spine was broken.   We only have inferences and such.  One "talking-head resident doctor expert" on Fox Snews stated that had Grey been trying to self-induce a wound by bashing his head against the inside of the vehicle, he could have done some nasty stuff but not broken his neck.   Some other alleged authorities appear to disagree with this.  
Who was the ACTUAL OFFICER who mangled the deceased's neck?   No one seems to know....or even have an idea where in the timeline the incident happened.
The speed of this  .... "investigation" also seems a little odd.   What is happening seemed more geared to suppressing more violence and rioting than anything.
Now, all this may change as things continue.  There will be a trial, the defendants will have lawyers and their side will come out, I'm sure.   We may (I hope) get a clearer idea as to the prosecution's case as things go on as well.  These things may answer my questions.
I hope.
We'll see.
All I'm saying right now is that I don't quite understand what the ******* is REALLY going on with the Grey case.....

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Hopefully we will get answers to those questions and more as this plays out  

The officers are culpable, the arresting officers more so than the driver. If, Jamis, Tallpine and I kidnap you off the street, with the intent just to drive you across town and let you go, then another car hits us or we hit a pothole and you break your neck....us three are culpable in your death.

If cops are going to be out there protecting and serving, it would help to actually know the law. The arrest was not lawful. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[vaskidmark]

So PC has to be RAS which has to be beyond a reasonable doubt?

Not saying anything went right after the actual arrest*.

stay safe.

* - remember, anything which leaves you not free to go is an arrest.  They can say you were merely detained if you get cut loose soon after not being free to go, but then I can call a hang glider the Spruce Goose.  Saying it does not make it so.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I've been hearing that most of the protestors aren't actually from where they're protesting.  IE they're not actually shitting on their own lawn.

32 outa 35 arrested one if the first nights were local


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Ahhh b more. You get the quality of government you vote for
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/sheriff-baltimore-states-atty-marilyn-mosby-charged-wrong-people-wrong-names-wrong-addresses-of-2-officers-video/

[makattak]

Ahhh b more. You get the quality of government you vote for
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/sheriff-baltimore-states-atty-marilyn-mosby-charged-wrong-people-wrong-names-wrong-addresses-of-2-officers-video/

That really bodes well for the defense.

It's also what happens when you rush everything to get your political charges filed.

Why do I get the feeling there will be no firings or punishments for this? (Ok, maybe a paid day off as punishment.)

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/260567686cee4973ace02ff380e1da2e/officers-legal-attack-begins-freddie-gray-case

One of the arresting officers is suing the prosecutor to produce the knife that Gray was arrested over.  Seems he disagrees with the prosecutor's assessment that the knife was legal. The charges against the arresting officers hinge upon that knife being legal.

I don't think I'd trust either side to play honest in this circumstance.  How strong are the evidence handling procedures in circumstances like this? 

Presuming Gray's knife was illegal, could the prosecutor swap out the real Gray knife for a phony to make her case work?  Or, presuming Gray's knife was legal, could the officers make a plausible argument in court that the legal knife the prosecutor produced is not the real knife they arrested Gray for?

[wmenorr67]

If a proper chain of custody was in place for the knife it should be rather open and shut if the knife was legal or not.  My guess is that the knife has disappeared so neither side can prove anything and since it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt, if there is no knife, you can't prove it was legal.

[Cliffh]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/260567686cee4973ace02ff380e1da2e/officers-legal-attack-begins-freddie-gray-case

One of the arresting officers is suing the prosecutor to produce the knife that Gray was arrested over.  Seems he disagrees with the prosecutor's assessment that the knife was legal. The charges against the arresting officers hinge upon that knife being legal.

I don't think I'd trust either side to play honest in this circumstance.  How strong are the evidence handling procedures in circumstances like this? 

Presuming Gray's knife was illegal, could the prosecutor swap out the real Gray knife for a phony to make her case work?  Or, presuming Gray's knife was legal, could the officers make a plausible argument in court that the legal knife the prosecutor produced is not the real knife they arrested Gray for?

Since they didn't find the knife until after Gray was arrested, it seems that the initial arrest wasn't legal and would invalidate their finding the knife later.

[wmenorr67]

Since they didn't find the knife until after Gray was arrested, it seems that the initial arrest wasn't legal and would invalidate their finding the knife later.

I believe Gray was detained after being caught after running from the police.  The finding of the knife during the pat down is what warranted the arrest.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I heard an interview of a BDP officer who said Gray was seen making a drug deal, then ran from the cops once he realized he'd been seen.  If true, that's plenty of probably cause.

If true...  If this...   If that...

It's frustrating that we just don't know anything about this case.  Even the stuff we thought we knew (such as Gray being found with an illegal switchblade) turns out to be untrue (per the prosecutor) and then maybe true after all (per the arresting officer's lawsuit to shine some light on that knife).

People sure do have opinions, though.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Just running from the cops in a high crime area is probable cause  for the stop according to the Supreme Court. Finding the knife is incidental to that stop


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