British exit of EU guesses

[Perd Hapley]

There's talk of Northern Ireland leaving the UK, too.

[agricola]

Scotland may try for independence again:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/europe/scotland-eu-referendum/index.html

To be fair, what she wants to do could not really be called "independence"; she wants to swap being part of one union for another one, albeit one where they have less power.

[mtnbkr]

Working for a British company and managing global services that have to meet EU regulatory requirements regarding data integrity, privacy, and so on, it will be interesting to see how this affects our service models.

We already have two teams and two "services" to cover the customers who don't want their data to leave the EU, but some of those are entirely UK-homed companies.  When the split is finalized, they may not want their data to leave the UK.  If so, we'll have to stand up a 3rd instance of our service.  For the ones who need to remain in the UK, the infrastructure is there, but managed remotely by folks in the UK, so the EU would get bodies. 

So, I can foresee the cost of running my services going up significantly. 

Chris

[MillCreek]

[Balog]

My Dad was in the Sprinkler fitters union.  I don't think he ever made that kind of money.  Did they bump up the rates recently?

Engineering can be a good college degree depending on what degree and grades.  However it doesn't always translate easily to your own business unless you get into some sort of specialty where you are your own contractor.  

The main thing is to pick a trade that won't go away with  improving technology or be replaced by robots/computers.  

Beats me, could just be regional variation too. Seattle generally has higher wages.

[MechAg94]

Beats me, could just be regional variation too. Seattle generally has higher wages.

My information is likely out of date also.  My Dad retired at least 5 years back and he spent his last 15 years as a foreman for a company out of Chicago and I am pretty sure they either paid him better or gave him some other benefits.  Anyway, I haven't heard him talk about the wages since before that which means the 80's or 90's.  I will have to ask him if he knows of any place where the wages were that high.  He still goes to union meetings for retirees.   

[Ron]

Fitters make big bucks in Chicago land. Foreman's make even more. Of course getting hours can be an issue if things are slow.

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[MechAg94]

That is likely true here also about the work.  I am the youngest kid.  Once I got a couple years into college my Dad started going all around the country for jobs.   

[Perd Hapley]

From the wayback machine:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/16/why-uk-might-end-voting-brexit/

While Cameron looks certain to campaign for an “in” vote, Boris Johnson has yet to show his hand. This month’s YouGov/Prospect research shows that if Boris campaigns for Brexit, this could severely weaken the Cameron effect. In one survey we asked people how they would vote if both men campaigned for Britain to stay in the EU. The effect was to life the pro-EU majority from three points to 18 – a 15-point bounce. But when we asked a separate sample how they would vote if Cameron wanted “in” and Boris wanted “out”, the bounce was half as much – just eight points. At this stage such numbers can be no more than indicative. But they remain telling. If Cameron and Boris both campaign for an “in” vote, Conservatives say they would vote the same way by 51-31%; but if the two men end up on opposite sides, Tories then say they would vote 41-38% for Brexit.

[Ben]

Well, I see Britain is adopting the US model. If you lose, cry and wail and start e-petitions to have the vote overturned. Of course the same people who are signing the petition would have a hissy if it was all reversed and the Brexit side started a petition.

Also, I can't believe it, but I agree with Piers Morgan on something.

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/06/26/get-off-his-lawn-piers-morgan-calls-out-lazy-youth-over-brexit/

One of the commenters said:

that's unfair!! Very unfair! Truth is politics are not engaged with young people - WHY?

Again, very similar to the US. Sorry, but it's not up to politics to engage with young (or any) people. It's up to people to engage with politics. If I allowed politics in the US to engage with me, I'd be voting progressive and have my hand out for gov goodies. Instead, I think for myself, do my own research, and don't vote progressive.

Funny though, many are also blaming the "commoners" for this because apparently another poll showed that those with college degrees voted in higher percentages for "stay", and the working class voted in higher percentages for "leave". If only the little people would have listened to their betters. Or perhaps been kept from voting at all. Let those who know what's best for you take care of you. Again, very familiar sounding.

[Perd Hapley]

http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2016/06/16/chancellor-why-i-have-voted-for-brexit/

[Hawkmoon]

http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2016/06/16/chancellor-why-i-have-voted-for-brexit/

Well-reasoned and well-written.

[Angel Eyes]

Not so well-reasoned or well-written, but I couldn't resist:

[Perd Hapley]

 

[Perd Hapley]

Thanks for posting that. It's still cracking me up.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

It was the highest turnout in a UK-wide vote since the 1992 general election.

England voted strongly for Brexit, by 53.4% to 46.6%, as did Wales, with Leave getting 52.5% of the vote and Remain 47.5%.

Could MPs block an EU exit?

Could the necessary legislation pass the Commons, given that a lot of MPs - all SNP and Lib Dems, nearly all Labour and many Conservatives - were in favour of staying?

The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The withdrawal agreement also has to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification, according to a House of Commons library report.

In practice, Conservative MPs who voted to remain in the EU would be whipped to vote with the government. Any who defied the whip would have to face the wrath of voters at the next general election.

One scenario that could see the referendum result overturned, is if MPs forced a general election and a party campaigned on a promise to keep Britain in the EU, got elected and then claimed that the election mandate topped the referendum one.

Two-thirds of MPs would have to vote for a general election to be held before the next scheduled one in 2020.

Going by the figures in the article, opponents of the Brexit spent more than twice as much as the Brexiteers, and with much larger donations. (Though the article doesn't list all the money spent.)

[Balog]

I do hope the MP's kill this and stay in the EU. The Brits would be "vote for Trump" levels of pissed and they might actually start firing their traitor class MP's.

[Perd Hapley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g

Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.

[makattak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g

Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.

Special indeed.

Hilarious that, "I thought America was the one so filled with hate"

And she's oblivious to the hate she has for America  (and now her own countrymen).

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[Perd Hapley]

I would like to ask her if believing that Europe is full of wonderful people (which she claims) isn't a form of racism.  Not that it is, it would just be fun to ask.

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g

Some very special commentary about America, at about 50 seconds. Also, she thinks the majority of Brexiteers are over 75.

Also commentary about "older people." Apparently, in her world view, "older people" should not be entitled to have their votes count the same as those of younger people.

I noticed that while talking she continually turned her eyes up and toward her right, rather than looking at the camera or the interviewer. I recall seeing articles interpreting that, and I need to do some research to see what it's purported to indicate.

[sumpnz]

I noticed that while talking she continually turned her eyes up and toward her right, rather than looking at the camera or the interviewer. I recall seeing articles interpreting that, and I need to do some research to see what it's purported to indicate.

Usually means they're making it up as they go along.

[Angel Eyes]

"I feel that hate won."

(where "hate" == any opinion that I don't like)

[agricola]

I do hope the MP's kill this and stay in the EU. The Brits would be "vote for Trump" levels of pissed and they might actually start firing their traitor class MP's.

They are entirely stupid enough to do this. 

UKIP has been taking votes from the Tories (and more recently, Labour) for years - mainly at European elections (they have one MP, but he is a Tory defector, and to be honest despises Farage anyway), this referendum result will get rid of UKIP (both by removing their reason for existence, and sacking the MEPs whose expenses go quite a long way to keep the party going) and so boost both main parties by literally millions of votes... which of course translates into more seats won; seats which may be key to winning a General Election and forming a government.

In fact the one way that UKIP can both survive and thrive is for the political class to try and ignore the result of this referendum.   In any kind of logical world this would mean that such an outcome would be unlikely, but this is Westminster and so there is probably a 90% likelyhood of them doing it.  In fact I would point out that even if they did it, it probably wouldn't be the most stupid thing that MPs will get up to this week (the farcical attempted defenestration of Corbyn by his own MPs wins that award).

[Angel Eyes]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html

"I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job. But listen, just listen," Farage said at the special meeting, held to address the Brexit fallout.

Whatever faults Farage may have, he's on target here.

[MillCreek]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-brexit-eu-referendum/index.html

Whatever faults Farage may have, he's on target here.

+1.