Author Topic: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?  (Read 1461 times)

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 05:51:30 PM »
And now Russia has hacked global warming.
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 06:22:37 PM »
Hey, I saw the movie - global warming means colder temperatures.
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 07:07:35 PM »
Round and round we go. In the '70s we were warned of the coming ice age.
Then came "global warming" and we were all gonna drown when the ice melted and the oceans rose.
Then we had "climate change" when none of the dire predictions were even close to reality.
Now we're back to "ice age"
*expletive deleted*ck 'em.
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 08:08:07 PM »
I still say no matter what the politicians call it, the right name is "weather."
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 10:19:32 PM »
Burn more coal to keep us warm... 

Build more Nuclear Reactor to make more electricity...
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2017, 10:31:53 AM »
Meh.  Maxwell's Demon is just playing with the door:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maxwell%27s_demon.svg

I 'member my Mom.  "Close that door!  You're letting the heat out of the house!" in Winter.

And in Summer, "Close that door!  You're letting  all the heat into the house!"

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2017, 11:49:31 AM »
Back in the 1960s and 1970s global cooling was the big "end to civilization" thread.
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 12:09:30 PM »
I'm looking forward to a wooly mammoth hunt but I'm going to use a modern rifle not a stone tipped atlatl.
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 01:48:45 PM »
I 'member my Mom.  "Close that door!  You're letting the heat out of the house!" in Winter.

And in Summer, "Close that door!  You're letting  all the heat into the house!"


Mom was right. (They usually are.) Heat only flows one way -- from warm to cold. You can let cold air into a house, but you can't let "cold" into a house.

It's like light. When you open the closet door, does the dark rush out?
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 03:23:37 PM »
Hey, I saw the movie - global warming means colder temperatures.
Yes, but it only freezes the major Western Industrial Nations and leaves everyone else alone.  Thin doors block it completely though. 
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2017, 10:37:41 AM »
Mom was right. (They usually are.) Heat only flows one way -- from warm to cold. You can let cold air into a house, but you can't let "cold" into a house.

It's like light. When you open the closet door, does the dark rush out?

My wild and crazy brain is now wondering if we could somehow create a Maxwell's Demon with some kind of nanotechnoloigy trick.  Some kind of nanotube that lets fast molecules through in one direction.  A nanocheck valve.

ETA: Actually, it would seem easier to let slow ones through and trap fast ones...

I'm remembering how home oxygen generators work.  A "zeolite-like" compound captures the nitrogen atoms/molecules, letting the mostly pure oxygen through to be contained in a pressure vessel.  Back-flushing regenerates the "zeolite-like" compound.

Reminds me of the time back in HS when the chem teacher told us that noble gases could not form compounds.  So I asked him what if we ionized the noble gas in a chamber with another noble gas or even, say, ionized sodium vapor--would they combine then?

He laughed, spouting the dicta that no, noble gases do not form compounds.  Period.

So what was it, fifty years later, I found out someone had done that.  Or at least tried it.  Maybe it was in a plasma.  Maybe it was unstable.  But at least someone else had thought it was conceptually feasible as well as that 15 year old HS student...

Maxwells's Nanotube.  Sounds intriguing.

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2017, 10:44:34 AM »
That's why it's now called climate change.  So no matter how it changes, it is still all our fault.

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »
Archie Bunker freezing his ass off due to global cooling...

Interesting...

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2017, 10:50:19 AM »
He laughed, spouting the dicta that no, noble gases do not form compounds.  Period.

So what was it, fifty years later, I found out someone had done that.  Or at least tried it.

According to Wikipedia,
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The first published report of XeF2 was in October 1962 by Chernick, et al. However, though published later, XeF2 was probably first created by Rudolf Hoppe at the University of Münster, Germany, in early 1962, by reacting fluorine and xenon gas mixtures in an electrical discharge. Shortly after these reports, Weeks, Cherwick, and Matheson of Argonne National Laboratory reported the synthesis of XeF2 using an all-nickel system with transparent alumina windows, in which equal parts Xe and F2 gases react at low pressure upon irradiation by an ultraviolet source to give XeF2.

Thus proving that if something doesn't appear to react with anything, you just haven't thrown enough hot fluorine at it.

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2017, 12:46:09 PM »
Yeah, 1960s.  Sounds about right as to when I heard about it.  And fluorine, yes, yes, yes, of course !  The great electron-snatcher!

I was thinking (at the time) of, like, sodium xenide.  Or neon sodide. :D

You know, like because an ionized noble gas would be shy of electrons, sodium would have some to give.

But there was an exam coming up, so I evicted that subject out of my crazy brain.

Heh.  I had to add xenide and sodide to my computer's dictionary.  Thanks for the update, KD5NRH !

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 12:48:48 PM »
"hot fluorine"

I knew her in college...

Wowza!
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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 01:00:04 PM »
"hot fluorine"

I knew her in college...

Not much to brag about; she mixed with anything that came her way.

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Re: Great. Now we have to worry about global cooling?!?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2017, 01:11:57 PM »
^. ^^ <laughing>

But it looks like this old coot  ought to mebbe roust himself off the couch and go get some extra provender:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=39.77758&lon=-105.10835420000001&lg=english&&FcstType=text#.WHfGUXnSkyU

Just in case.

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