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There are many interesting details in this bill. It would allow you to carry any firearm that is legal in your home state along with any magazine or ammo to any other state regardless of local or state laws.

By getting the cheapest easiest out of state permit you can, and not worrying about who honors it right now you, will have 50 state nearly constitutional carry.

This bill barely opens up any new angles of attack on our rights, an outright national carry permit could screw us later, but this is a quick stepping stone to 50 state constitutional carry. It will push us so far forward so fast that we won't easily be able to back slide even if the D's get all three branches four or more years from now.

Out of curiosity what state has the easiest and cheapest out of state permit? I know it isn't Florida which requires training and finger prints.
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Out of curiosity what state has the easiest and cheapest out of state permit? I know it isn't Florida which requires training and finger prints.

I'm thinking right now it's UT and AZ. You have to figure in how long the permit is good for as well when considering cost. I can't remember the numbers, but my FL is good for 2-3 years longer than AZ and UT.
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I'm thinking right now it's UT and AZ. You have to figure in how long the permit is good for as well when considering cost. I can't remember the numbers, but my FL is good for 2-3 years longer than AZ and UT.

IIRC I think Utah requires training and fingerprints. 

VA non-res is $100 bucks for 5 years.  Hunter Ed, or NRA basic pistol, or a DD214 meets the training requirement, IIRC.
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Out of curiosity what state has the easiest and cheapest out of state permit? I know it isn't Florida which requires training and finger prints.

Pennsylvania doesn't require any training, but as of a couple of years ago you now have to appear in person to apply for the permit. It's good for five years, but I don't remember how much it costs. You can find that info on www.handgunlaw.us

I also don't recall if PA requires a home state permit. There's a little nag in the back of my head that says yes. I know New Hampshire requires a home state permit.
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A year or two ago, when I renewed my Utah permit, they required me to have a residential permit in Washington state as well.  I scanned it and send it along with my Utah renewal application.
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IIRC I think Utah requires training and fingerprints. 

VA non-res is $100 bucks for 5 years.  Hunter Ed, or NRA basic pistol, or a DD214 meets the training requirement, IIRC.

Yeah, I had to send fingerprints to everyone. I can't remember all the training requirements - in CA we take a class that lets you apply in several different states. Some states just want classroom training, others require live fire. Oregon would have let me just take an online class back when I had that permit. As I recall when I got all my permits the first time, I just used a combination of the multi-state CCW course certificate and a defensive pistol class certificate, and copies as that was above and beyond for all the popular non-resident permits. Many states will accept a copy of your CCW from another state as the equivalent to proof of training.
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The nose is already in the tent. How many negative federal regulations do we have? How many more were tried and luckily didn't pass? They don't need to do something positive for a change, the nose is already in the tent
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There are many interesting details in this bill. It would allow you to carry any firearm that is legal in your home state along with any magazine or ammo to any other state regardless of local or state laws.

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By getting the cheapest easiest out of state permit you can, and not worrying about who honors it right now you, will have 50 state nearly constitutional carry.
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This bill barely opens up any new angles of attack on our rights, an outright national carry permit could screw us later, but this is a quick stepping stone to 50 state constitutional carry. It will push us so far forward so fast that we won't easily be able to back slide even if the D's get all three branches four or more years from now.

Out of curiosity what state has the easiest and cheapest out of state permit? I know it isn't Florida which requires training and finger prints.

This right here, because of the states that now have Constitutional Carry are growing and if I have read the proposed bill correctly, if your state allows Constitutional Carry the rest of the states have to honor that.

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Curious to see one thing...if this passes, will states stop issuing non-resident permits?  Seems to become a moot issue if every state has to honor a home state permit...

A though crossed my mind as I typed this.  Say the law passes, and I can now legally carry in all 50 states on my home issued permit.  I can now carry legally in New York, California, Hawaii...  People in those states cannot get a home permit because of state laws, need-based permits, etc.  How soon until the "equal protection" lawsuits get filed in those states, and all states become constitutional carry?
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How soon until the "equal protection" lawsuits get filed in those states, and all states become constitutional carry?



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Curious to see one thing...if this passes, will states stop issuing non-resident permits?  Seems to become a moot issue if every state has to honor a home state permit...

A though crossed my mind as I typed this.  Say the law passes, and I can now legally carry in all 50 states on my home issued permit.  I can now carry legally in New York, California, Hawaii...  People in those states cannot get a home permit because of state laws, need-based permits, etc.  How soon until the "equal protection" lawsuits get filed in those states, and all states become constitutional carry?
If they're smart at least one state will continue to issue non resident permits for exactly that reason


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I'll go back to reply #6 in this thread.


I wonder how much UT and FL make, after expenses, in Non-res permits ??
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Curious to see one thing...if this passes, will states stop issuing non-resident permits?  Seems to become a moot issue if every state has to honor a home state permit...

A though crossed my mind as I typed this.  Say the law passes, and I can now legally carry in all 50 states on my home issued permit.  I can now carry legally in New York, California, Hawaii...  People in those states cannot get a home permit because of state laws, need-based permits, etc.  How soon until the "equal protection" lawsuits get filed in those states, and all states become constitutional carry?

The way I read the bill, it doesn't seem to require that the home state actually issue permits, it only requires that it have provision for permits. That doesn't seem to make sense, but I found the language to be a bit confusing to my non-lawyer dinosaur brain. My thought was that it was written specifically so that people in places like New Jersey and Hawaii, which have permitting laws on the books but are effectively no-issue, would still be able to carry in other states.
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I'll go back to reply #6 in this thread.


I wonder how much UT and FL make, after expenses, in Non-res permits ??

Some (3-1/2 year old) relevant info: https://www.ksl.com/?sid=27268239 . Though that only says how much budget surplus they had for one fiscal year, at the fees charged at the time, and don't separate out what portion came from non-resident permit fees.

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So what are the chances of this bill passing?
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So what are the chances of this bill passing?

The bigger and better question is probably "What are the chances of this passing without it's having been neutered by liberal poison pill amendments?"
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