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GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:05:18 PM »
Speaker Ryan pulled the bill from the House, presumably due to not enough votes to pass it.  Now what?
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2017, 04:16:21 PM »
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 04:29:28 PM »
Well since a bunch of R's ran on the premise of repealing O-care they better get something done in the next year or so, otherwise it could be very ugly for them and us come 2018.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 04:30:11 PM »
Perhaps they can pass Rand Paul's bill ??
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 04:30:51 PM »
Senator Lee said that the parliamentarian suggested that more of Obamacare could be repealed by reconciliation than in this bill.

Why not do that?
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2017, 04:39:42 PM »
Senator Lee said that the parliamentarian suggested that more of Obamacare could be repealed by reconciliation than in this bill.

Why not do that?

Because the RINO leadership really does not want to repeal ObamaCare.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2017, 04:44:05 PM »
Perhaps they can pass Rand Paul's bill ??


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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 04:48:20 PM »
Trump has stated if it didn't pass he was done for the year, leaving Ocare in place, and he would be moving on to tax cuts. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2017, 04:58:55 PM »
My understanding is getting this passed made the planned tax cuts easier - the reduced medicaid spending helped balance things out. Not sure how linked they really are though.

I still don't understand why H.R. 3762 wasn't the starting point - they already passed it!
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 07:48:03 PM »
We need someone to help the Repubs learn to work and play better with each other........
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 08:53:03 PM »
Trump has stated if it didn't pass he was done for the year, leaving Ocare in place, and he would be moving on to tax cuts. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.


As we have just witnessed, Congress doesn't necessarily listen to what Trump wants to do.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2017, 09:45:30 PM »
What bothers me about this whole thing is it has shown how fragmented Congress actually is. A coalition for this a coalition for that and each one wanting their own little (or big) slice of the pie. If anyone ever thought that these people were acting in the best interest of the country I hope they have now had a reality check and realize they are mostly in it for themselves IMO.

I would have forced the vote, that way there would have been a hard record of those who did not vote for the bill and those that did. With them going home for a week or so maybe the ones who voted no could catch some grief from the people they represent, esp if from a Trump supporting area.

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 10:19:12 PM »
Because the RINO leadership really does not want to repeal ObamaCare.
Bingo.

They were willing to vote to repeal Obamacare - repeatedly! - when Obama was in office, KNOWING the repeal wouldn't become law.

Now - when a passed repeal WILL become law - they think "Oh, crap, we really don't want this! How can we screw things up to prevent passage?"

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2017, 01:01:15 PM »
the statist bureaucrats love their power, the radlibs think this will bring "single payer"  which I think means
socialized medicine ( honestly I do not even know )...
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2017, 08:28:01 PM »
An interesting perspective ...  :old:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/25/healthcare-controls-and-the-benefits-of-the-blame-game/

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2017, 07:48:10 AM »
It was a bad bill, it deserved to be killed. Hopefully they will go back and write a better one or just you know repeal ACA in its entirety then write a better bill.

As for Trump, it really doesn't matter wht he says. Presidents don't pass laws, the legislature does. They can write a new bill with or without him and put it one his desk to sign or Veto with or without his support or permission.

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2017, 09:11:56 AM »
It was a bad bill, it deserved to be killed.

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2017, 10:05:13 AM »
It was a bad bill, it deserved to be killed. Hopefully they will go back and write a better one or just you know repeal ACA in its entirety then write a better bill.

I think there's too big of a "repeal AND replace" faction to do that.  I'm half a foot in their camp in that I don't want the disruption of TWO major reforms, so I want the replacement in place with the repeal.

Or, to be honest, keep the few good bits and just pass a reform on top of the reform.

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As for Trump, it really doesn't matter wht he says. Presidents don't pass laws, the legislature does. They can write a new bill with or without him and put it one his desk to sign or Veto with or without his support or permission.

Bingo.  I haven't read a single article mentioning Trump or his cabinet being consulted on the replacement, introducing any parts to the replacement, nothing.


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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2017, 10:21:20 AM »
I'm not getting the "Replace" part of the argument.  Why does it need to be replaced with anything ??
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2017, 11:01:26 AM »
I'm not getting the "Replace" part of the argument.  Why does it need to be replaced with anything ??

It doesn't, but the big-government people want more government.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2017, 11:21:43 AM »
What bothers me about this whole thing is it has shown how fragmented Congress actually is. A coalition for this a coalition for that...

As Rush pointed out the other day, the Republicans have the Freedom Caucus, Tea Party (not official), and a bunch of other groups. The Democrat Party has the Black Democrat Caucus, and that's it. When it comes to legislation, every Democrat walks in lockstep, and never breaks ranks. That's why they can push through something as radical as Obamacare, and Republicans can't even settle on a revamp that's a compromise.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2017, 11:40:14 AM »
Diversity of opinion is usually perceived to be a good thing, yet the media portray it as failure in a political context.
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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2017, 12:00:55 PM »
For once I agree with the New York Times and Maureen Dowd:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/25/opinion/sunday/donald-this-i-will-tell-you.html

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2017, 07:05:48 PM »
I'm not getting the "Replace" part of the argument.  Why does it need to be replaced with anything ??

To be perfectly honest, a lot of people managed to get healthcare under Obamacare that previously didn't, and all the scarey literature out there has them as losing their healthcare if Obamacare is simply repealed, which most of them won't like, and people are saying would cause them to vote democrat.

So it's a lot like touching social security.  Threaten to take away people's retirement check and they get pissed.

As for me, here's my thoughts:
1.  The state of healthcare BEFORE Obamacare was equally unacceptable as Obamacare, just in different ways.
2.  The situation between different systems (Pre-Obama, Obama, theoretical Republican Replacement) are each different enough to have substantial market distortions.  I'd like to avoid too many market distortions.

Personally, keeping in mind that I'm not a lawyer, and there are better ways to state this:
1.  Require healthcare providers to provide estimates and price sheets.
2.  Pass legislation that encourages charging by illness/syndrome, rather than by procedure.
3.  Procedures that fail cannot be charged for.  (insert legaleze defining failure)
4.  Healthcare savings accounts for everybody.  Possibly as modifications to IRAs. 
5.  Find some way to toss some initial money into said savings accounts for young adults. 
6.  Really reform the USDA. 
7.  Health insurance can be sold across state lines
8.  People are allowed to buy drugs from overseas.  Encourage formation of a watchdog company that makes sure what people are ordering is what they're actually getting.
9.  Allow government organizations tasked with buying drugs for various reasons to actually negotiate the prices they pay for said drugs.

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Re: GOP pulls bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2017, 07:14:55 PM »
Here's one: Open up GEHA to all US citizens at the government rate.
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