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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2017, 06:50:17 PM »
We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.

But we didn't.  :mad:   :facepalm:
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:23 PM »
USA Today had some math problems also.




I guess a "kilo" just means 2.2 lb of heroin to them?

Ah, well, what's a mere 3 orders of magnitude to a hophead?

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2017, 07:23:33 PM »
Shouldn't that have been 15 kilotons in the USA today "graphic?"

I guess a "kilo" just means 2.2 lb of heroin to them?

Ah, well, what's a mere 3 orders of magnitude to a hophead?

Beat me to it.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2017, 07:30:24 PM »
We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.

But we didn't.  :mad:   :facepalm:

You are assuming that we actually want to win this war with Wahhabi/Salafi Islam.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2017, 08:24:26 PM »
We SHOULD have used it (or its predecessor) when Muqtada al-Sadr was holding one of his frequent and well-publicized "Death to America" rallies with his so-called Mahdi Arm in Sadr City.

But we didn't.  :mad:   :facepalm:
I think several 2000 pound bombs spaced out would do that better.  Might not be quite the same message though.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2017, 08:56:13 PM »
It's a lot more important for a message to be received than for it to be sent.

Given the distinct lack of success of messaging to Afghanistan from pretty much everyone ever, I have a lot of doubt this will make any meaningful difference in anything.

Blowing *expletive deleted*it up looks cool, though.

It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2017, 11:37:22 PM »
It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.


I had the same thought. Also, this was supposed to be the day of the NorKoTerrorist's "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT."
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2017, 07:35:47 AM »
Oh dear, I seem to have triggered some of the Trump Hating Fucksticks on my Facebook friends list with a very direct post on this subject...

One of them is even questioning when I lost my humanity...


Well, never, but I did have it VERY tightly redefined on September 11, 2001, when I watched people falling/jumping from the top floors of the World Trade Center towers...

That's the day when I stopped caring about how we killed terrorists, why we killed terrorists, when we killed terrorists, or where we killed terrorists (although I do prefer them to be killed, very, very messily, in their own dung heaps). And, I really don't care that much about civilian casualties who might get caught up in the killing of terrorists, because as often as not, those people are either actively or passively complicit in their support for terrorists who attack the west.

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2017, 07:40:12 AM »
Oh dear, I seem to have triggered some of the Trump Hating Fucksticks on my Facebook friends list with a very direct post on this subject...

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2017, 07:43:35 AM »
Funny you should pick that particular image...

Because the one guy accusing me of losing my humanity is... Aussie.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2017, 10:57:20 AM »
From what I gather, killing people and breaking things is about all their respond to.  This is a start.

Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.

The effect seems to be negligible.

It's quite possible the message was for the fat kid.

That's a possibility.

He is also not very receptive to messaging, though.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2017, 12:28:48 PM »
Oh, I just noticed U.S.A Today's fine print on the bottom of that thing on the MOAB:

"NOTE: The GBU-42B conventional bomb has the second-largest explosive yield of any non-nuclear U:S. (sic) device. SOURCE USA TODAY research "

But the atomic artillery shell yielded only 72 tons eq. of TNT, that is, 0.072 kilotons of TNT eq.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48


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The W48 was 6.1 inches (155 mm) in diameter and 33.3 inches long. It came in two models, Mod 0 and Mod 1, which are reported to have weighed 118 and 128 pounds respectively. It had an explosive yield equivalent to 72 tons of TNT (0.072 kiloton), which is very small for a nuclear weapon.[1][2]

I'm confused.  Am I reading that "NOTE" wrong?

Do I need more coffee this morning?

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2017, 12:35:12 PM »
So apparently the USAToday infographic was printed correctly in the print version.  Either that twitter version was fubar'd or it is faked.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2017, 01:04:41 PM »
https://youtu.be/mWZbrwb1mLQ

Test of artillery man-carryable nuke.

I'll go along with the twitter infographic as being FUBARed or Fake.

But I needed more coffee anyway.

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2017, 01:27:15 PM »
So apparently the USAToday infographic was printed correctly in the print version.  Either that twitter version was fubar'd or it is faked.


Either way, it accomplished its purpose.  [tinfoil]
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2017, 02:51:31 PM »
Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.

So what you are saying is violence is all they know which is pretty much what I said. 
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2017, 04:21:29 PM »
It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.

The physics get quite interesting.  In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments.  However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill.  But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2017, 04:39:20 PM »
It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.

The physics get quite interesting.  In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments.  However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill.  But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.

Putting thermobaric munitions into the mouth of caves in that region was popular about 14 years ago. Probably still is or soon will be.  ;)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/blu-118.htm

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2017, 06:15:24 PM »
Not really. Their people have been killed and their things have been broken by everyone from Mongols to the British Empire (multiple times), to Soviet Union. US has been breaking their things for a decade and a half.

The effect seems to be negligible.


That's because they attribute every setback to the Will of Allah, and just keep on keeping on.

Which is why eventually we're going to have to nuke the entire area and turn it into a sea of glass.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2017, 07:17:43 PM »
It looks like they chose to use the MOAB because it'd collapse the tunnels they were using, preventing future use of them as shelters and transfer systems.

The physics get quite interesting.  In tunnels, fragmentation(the biggest killer in open terrain) is generally non-lethal very quickly because twisty tunnels stop fragments.  However, the restricted space can vastly increase the distance where overpressure will kill.  But a third effect can take place with the really big bombs - the explosion pushes out all the breathable air and they suffocate before sufficient fresh air can reach them.

Yeah, I heard today that the blast killed 32 terrorists, and figured the tunnels must have been the target.  That would be a lot of time and money for just 32.

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2017, 07:29:58 PM »
Yeah, I heard today that the blast killed 32 terrorists, and figured the tunnels must have been the target.  That would be a lot of time and money for just 32.

I heard the same thing thing, but they didn't say or they don't know, if any people where in the tunnels.

Either way that's 32 least problems!! 

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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2017, 09:31:29 PM »
That's because they attribute every setback to the Will of Allah, and just keep on keeping on.

Which is why eventually we're going to have to nuke the entire area and turn it into a sea of glass.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM »
Apparently the other latest thing is claiming a single MOAB costs $314 million. Which was the development cost. Actual unit cost is $170k. Roughly on par with normal dumb bomb cost scaling. If you divide out the MOAB dev costs by number of units made, works out to $16 million per.

We can make it a lot cheaper by dropping more of them.
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2017, 12:30:23 PM »
Looks like the kill numbers are going up, and the MSM is starting to report Rev's cost numbers.

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/04/15/number-of-isis-fighters-killed-by-moab-rises-cost-conscious-lefties-remain-unimpressed/
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Re: US Drops a MOAB in Afghanistan
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2017, 12:35:19 PM »
Apparently the other latest thing is claiming a single MOAB costs $314 million. Which was the development cost. Actual unit cost is $170k. Roughly on par with normal dumb bomb cost scaling. If you divide out the MOAB dev costs by number of units made, works out to $16 million per.

We can make it a lot cheaper by dropping more of them.

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