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More proof that civil discourse is dead
« on: May 21, 2017, 06:43:29 PM »

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/21/california-dem-leader-leads-fk-trump-chant-at-convention-while-holding-up-two-middle-fingers/

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Speaking at the convention, outgoing California Democratic Party chairman John Burton reportedly led the crowd in a “f**k” Trump chant while holding up two middle fingers, according to video and pictures taken at the event.

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During the convention, Burton was also caught on camera telling protesters to “shut the f**k up and go outside” prior to Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez taking the stage, according to a reporter.

I suppose I should be relieved that they weren't breaking windows, committing arson, or assaulting passers-by.  Or maybe that comes later.

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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 10:35:50 PM »

I suppose I should be relieved that they weren't breaking windows, committing arson, or assaulting passers-by.  Or maybe that comes later.


That's reserved for when they're protesting conservatives ...
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 08:43:18 AM »
Closer every day.


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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 08:28:00 PM »
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/21/california-dem-leader-leads-fk-trump-chant-at-convention-while-holding-up-two-middle-fingers/

I suppose I should be relieved that they weren't breaking windows, committing arson, or assaulting passers-by.  Or maybe that comes later.


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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 11:10:57 AM »
This country is in serious trouble.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 11:33:13 AM »
they're posing.
Not understanding that Trump was just being authentic, they presume being vulgar is going to improve heir image.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 12:00:46 PM »
they're posing.
Not understanding that Trump was just being authentic, they presume being vulgar is going to improve heir image.

This is a really cogent explanation of the left. So much of what they do are examples of cargo cult thinking that it's unsurprising they don't grasp this, either.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 01:59:24 PM »
Of course, had any of us done the same thing in regards to the previous occupant of the White House, we'd have been roundly denounced as racists and likely arrested for hate speech.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2017, 02:16:37 PM »

It was Racism then. It's Resistance now.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2017, 09:18:49 PM »
It was Racism then. It's Resistance now.

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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 08:22:25 AM »
He who defines the vocabulary controls the argument.

If you'll recall from your Orwell, it's about controlling thoughts, not just the argument.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 08:55:43 AM »
This seems relevant to the topic of civil discourse (or lack of)
At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, “I’m sick and tired of this!”
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 09:26:18 AM »
This seems relevant to the topic of civil discourse (or lack of)

Other than the Inevitable political fallout I fail to see where anything "bad" happened. =D
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 10:23:11 AM »
Other than the Inevitable political fallout I fail to see where anything "bad" happened. =D

If there is no video, should I really take the word of reporters that this happened as described?  
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 10:46:56 AM »
If there is no video, should I really take the word of reporters that this happened as described?  

If it was just the Guardian reporter, maybe not, but the Fox News crew that witnessed it certainly corroborates his story.
There's also an audio recording that seems to follow the witness accounts pretty closely.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2017, 04:46:08 PM »
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/

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A reporter who was a firsthand witness to an incident late Wednesday involving Montana GOP candidate Greg Gianforte and a reporter for the Guardian now admits she may have misstated some details of her initial story.
I don't think Fox reporters are any more worthy of trust than the others. 

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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 05:14:29 PM »
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I saw both his hands go up, not around his neck in a strangling type of way, but more just on each side of his neck, just grabbed him and I guess it could've been on his clothes, I don't know.
I'm not sure there's a huge distinction there, it's certainly still assault.
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 05:20:44 PM »
I'm not sure there's a huge distinction there, it's certainly still assault.
Fair point, but these days when I hear about reporters claiming a politician did something bad, I tend to either ignore it or assume it is a lie until I find out more information.  At least for this story, the "sources" are not anonymous.   =)
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Re: More proof that civil discourse is dead
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2017, 05:26:39 PM »
If there is no video, should I really take the word of reporters that this happened as described? 

Fair point: a roomful of reporters and no video footage?
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