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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #100 on: July 12, 2017, 09:39:41 PM »
If Winston marijuana cigarettes were available for a few dollars at the corner store, would that many people be looking for harder drugs?  I am sure there would be a few, but I don't know how many.  I guess at some point, a lot of young adults are going to try whatever is legal and some illegal stuff.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #101 on: July 13, 2017, 12:46:16 AM »
No.  Let them die.  No loss to society from either group.

If the hikers want to think ahead and pay for a rescue insurance policy, then they will get rescued.

It all boils down to personal responsibility.  Who is responsible for saving the life of the hiker, or druggie, or helmetless motorcycle rider?  The individual and no one else.  If the individual wants to risk his life doing stupid stuff, and hasn't planned ahead for negative outcomes, then he can save his own ass.  The first responders are off the hook.

And the courts agree with me.  No cop or doctor or EMT or individual is required by law to perform a life saving service.

I will throw a bone out to normal people doing normal, reasonable things. 

Normal reasonable people occasionally act stupid.  Including every damn one of us here.  (some more often than others)  And we all have moral failings.  Mine are probably different than yours.  Of course getting high is a moral failing!  So what.  I'm not sure exactly what my point is, but we shouldn't be making public policy based on that.

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #102 on: July 13, 2017, 05:54:07 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)


You can get it to 200 proof, it just takes more work - specifically, using a molecular sieve or such.  The most common is that you dump in calcium oxide, which absorbs the last of the water, not the alcohol.  Filter out the solid granules, you have 200 proof(or close enough)...

That said, alcohol that pure is hydroscopic as all hell.  Pop the cork and soon enough it'll absorb enough water from the air that it'll be back down to 90-95% pure.

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #103 on: July 13, 2017, 10:37:58 AM »
^^^Back when I was homebrewing, I used Everclear to swab the fittings of my equipment to sanitize them. I had to go to Oregon to buy a bottle since it was not sold in Washington at the time.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #104 on: July 13, 2017, 10:44:09 AM »
^^^Back when I was homebrewing, I used Everclear to swab the fittings of my equipment to sanitize them. I had to go to Oregon to buy a bottle since it was not sold in Washington at the time.


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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #105 on: July 13, 2017, 08:56:03 PM »

Well, Washington is the buckle of the Bible Belt.

Actually it kinda is. Their liquor laws suck for a Western state. I think even Utah is better.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #106 on: July 13, 2017, 09:08:15 PM »
Actually it kinda is. Their liquor laws suck for a Western state. I think even Utah is better.

Do they have government-run liquor stores like Oregon?
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« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2017, 10:06:38 PM »
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« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2017, 11:31:28 PM »
http://www.wcti12.com/news/irresistible/people-intentionally-od-to-be-revived-at-narcan-parties/599532474

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2017, 11:50:25 PM »
^^^I call shenanigans on the Narcan story.  Having administered it several times, the patient in no way experiences a 'rush'.  In fact, they are usually angry, because you have just immediately reversed the opiate effects, thus ending the high, and the patient does not like this.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2017, 11:52:04 PM »
Well, I'm definitely not buying MillCreek's version of events.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2017, 01:21:20 AM »
Since Fistful wants to be a "Doubting Thomas"*, I suggest we inject him with a lethal dose of Heroin and then administer the Narcan and he can report his findings here.

Sounds like a plan ??




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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2017, 01:47:39 AM »
I'd just like to clarify that, when Thomas doubted, they didn't crucify him, so he could see first-hand if resurrection was possible.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2017, 06:59:33 AM »
I'd just like to clarify that, when Thomas doubted, they didn't crucify him, so he could see first-hand if resurrection was possible.
Perhaps that was corrected in the Heliand version of the Gospels.

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #116 on: August 08, 2017, 08:08:20 PM »
I'd just like to clarify that, when Thomas doubted, they didn't crucify him, so he could see first-hand if resurrection was possible.

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2017, 09:35:32 AM »
The sooner society starts accepting addiction as a mental health issue, the sooner effective steps to stem it can be taken. Using force, punishment and de-humanization or dereliction is not the way to go about it. We should have learned this by now.

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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2017, 09:05:26 PM »
We have learned that but the justice-incarceration complex makes way too much money off the drug war to just give it up.
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Re: The first two doses of Narcan are free, the third time, you die
« Reply #119 on: August 12, 2017, 06:55:39 AM »
The sooner society starts accepting addiction as a mental health issue, the sooner effective steps to stem it can be taken. Using force, punishment and de-humanization or dereliction is not the way to go about it. We should have learned this by now.



This.  And we could let the addicts destroy themselves instead of forcing help on them.
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