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F the Police kid - evicted?
« on: July 16, 2017, 03:26:38 PM »
According to this pair of stories, the kid who played F the Police from his apartment window during a police funeral has been ejected from his borrowed digs.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/12/bronx-teen-blares-f-tha-police-from-apartment-wind/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18627/teen-who-blasted-fck-tha-police-cops-funeral-joseph-curl

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 03:34:09 PM »


An apology under duress is not an apology.  It is a lie.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 03:49:37 PM »
Freedom at its best. The kid had every right to blast that song and exercised his right. The property manager had every right to kick his ass out and he exercised his right. I'm glad to see people embracing such freedom and learning all about choices and consequences.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 04:16:33 PM »
Freedom at its best. The kid had every right to blast that song and exercised his right. The property manager had every right to kick his ass out and he exercised his right. I'm glad to see people embracing such freedom and learning all about choices and consequences.


Freedom to conduct a funeral without being harassed?  ???
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 04:30:41 PM »

Freedom to conduct a funeral without being harassed?  ???

I wasn't aware that a funeral trumped freedom of speech. I apologize for my ignorance.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 05:07:42 PM »
I wasn't aware that a funeral trumped freedom of speech. I apologize for my ignorance.


I wasn't aware that a funeral was less a form of speech than playing a song is. I accept your apology.  :P
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 07:39:38 PM »
Freedom to act like a little *wow such a strong word to use, check your anger at the door* doesn't mean you don't have to deal with the consequences of acting like said little *wow such a strong word to use, check your anger at the door*.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 01:53:10 AM »

I wasn't aware that a funeral was less a form of speech than playing a song is. I accept your apology.  :P

No part of the Freedom of Speech extends to not being harassed by other private citizens.  That freedom: "to conduct a funeral without being harassed" is imaginary.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 07:21:03 AM »
No part of the Freedom of Speech extends to not being harassed by other private citizens.  That freedom: "to conduct a funeral without being harassed" is imaginary.


Which imaginary freedom allows municipalities to enforce noise ordinances?
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 07:59:28 AM »

Which imaginary freedom allows municipalities to enforce noise ordinances?

What?  Even by your standards that's nonsensical.

As far as I know there is no noise ordinance in play in this story.  They have nothing to do with admittedly boorish behavior around funerals.  Which is legal, and protected.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 08:13:59 AM »
"The tenant, who identified himself only as “Jesus,” insisted the incident wasn’t his fault and called Rodriguez and his sister “lowlifes.”

So... he opened his home to lowlifes?

Interesting.
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 09:28:15 AM »
What?  Even by your standards that's nonsensical.

As far as I know there is no noise ordinance in play in this story.  They have nothing to do with admittedly boorish behavior around funerals.  Which is legal, and protected.



I didn't say there was a noise ordinance. Since you're telling me there's no freedom "to conduct a funeral w/o being harassed," I'm just asking you if there's a freedom "to sleep without loud noises." I thought the relationship would be obvious. Certain towns have laws against loud noise between certain hours of the evening/early morning. These go into effect every night, cover large areas, and as far as I know, the courts are OK with those. Certain towns have banned demonstrations near funerals, which only go into effect at the time and place of the funeral. The courts have ruled against those. I would think more people would question that seeming inconsistency. But it's more fashionable to stick up for Westboro, in the belief that it makes you a first amendment hero...
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 09:53:45 AM »
Freedom at its best. The kid had every right to blast that song and exercised his right. The property manager had every right to kick his ass out and he exercised his right. I'm glad to see people embracing such freedom and learning all about choices and consequences.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 09:58:03 AM »
"The tenant, who identified himself only as “Jesus,” insisted the incident wasn’t his fault and called Rodriguez and his sister “lowlifes.”

So... he opened his home to lowlifes?

Interesting.

I noticed the same thing. And when the lowlife was interviewed in the first linked article, he failed to mention that he and his sister were apparently freeloading. He made it sound as if it was HIS family's apartment.

I have no sympathy for the punk. I might have some sympathy for his sister, who was also booted from the apartment ... but only if she's a better person than he seems to be.
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2017, 10:46:47 AM »
See, I think it should be simple.

If someone has the "right" to disrupt the funeral of a single individual and cause the deceased's family and friends additional anguish and pain and call it an exercise of free speech...

I think the deceased's family and friends should have the right to exercise their free speech by kicking the absolute *expletive deleted*it out of said "freedom protester."
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2017, 10:53:00 AM »


I didn't say there was a noise ordinance. Since you're telling me there's no freedom "to conduct a funeral w/o being harassed," I'm just asking you if there's a freedom "to sleep without loud noises."

No, there is no such Freedom protected by our Constitution.  There may, in some places be some local laws.  Or you can buy enough land that you can't hear anyone outside your property.  Or, in some places you can nag the local gov until they put restrictions on the airport that was there when you bought the house.  But that last would be "not freedom" for other people as opposed to "freedom" for you.

Certain towns have laws against loud noise between certain hours of the evening/early morning. These go into effect every night, cover large areas, and as far as I know, the courts are OK with those. Certain towns have banned demonstrations near funerals, which only go into effect at the time and place of the funeral. The courts have ruled against those. I would think more people would question that seeming inconsistency. But it's more fashionable to stick up for Westboro, in the belief that it makes you a first amendment hero...


Most people understand the distinction of, and increased protections afforded to, political speech.  Westboro, and this kid for that matter,  are making unpopular political statements, which are specifically the kind of speech we MOST tried to protect.  That's quite a bit different then noise ordinances shutting down parties or loud music at night.  There's no inconsistency there.

And even better, while the government shouldn't attempt to punish this kid for playing F the Police, it's completely reasonable for someone to decide they no longer wish to be in a business relationship with him.  Government censure vs. private individual censure.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 10:56:37 AM »
Yeah.  No Mike, you don't get to cause start physical violence over mental anguish.  The two aren't comparable.  That's some SJW *expletive deleted*it right there.  "They hurt my feelz, so now I can hit them with a bike lock".

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 11:11:22 AM »
Hey, what's good for the lefty mcleftersons should be equally good and applicable to everyone.

In fact, I keep hoping that the left will push hard enough, and do enough stupid *expletive deleted*it, that people on the right start hitting back. HARD.

I'm getting to the point where I have no compunctions about some black masked *expletive deleted*che knot wearing rock tosser losing teeth as a result of his action.

Actions have consequences. And some of those consequences should be extremely painful.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 11:14:29 AM »
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Julien told the paper that he eventually apologized to the police officers, but only because his landlord threatened to evict his family if he didn’t.

“I apologized because it was between the house and apologizing,” he said.

What an utter twit. And the landlord should have seen the 'apology' as hollow as it was given by such a person.

Kid had a right to express his thoughts. The fact that the kid is a scumbag and terrible human being does not negate his rights. That's why we have rights. They are not to protect popular well-liked speech. They are often to protect the terrible scumbags. Which is a good thing. I somehow believe this kid will make a prison cell out of his own life, from looking at his thought process and lack of decorum. Along other things, this will come up every time he has a job interview. Or goes on a date.



See, I think it should be simple.

If someone has the "right" to disrupt the funeral of a single individual and cause the deceased's family and friends additional anguish and pain and call it an exercise of free speech...

I think the deceased's family and friends should have the right to exercise their free speech by kicking the absolute *expletive deleted*it out of said "freedom protester."

So you're saying you support the Berkeley rioters who acted like angry chimps when Milo showed up for a speech?   ;)

Good to know. Joining Antifa next?
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 12:01:16 PM »
So you're saying you support the Berkeley rioters who acted like angry chimps when Milo showed up for a speech?   ;)

Good to know. Joining Antifa next?

In defense of Mike, a funeral is a significantly different occasion than a publicized speech.

I have no problem with different rules around a funeral. When someone has died, decorum ought to be enforced. If you viscerally hate the deceased, you can express that at some time other than his interment.  "Time and place" restrictions are appropriate.
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2017, 12:05:22 PM »
"So you're saying you support the Berkeley rioters who acted like angry chimps when Milo showed up for a speech?   Wink

Good to know. Joining Antifa next?"


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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 12:38:54 PM »
In defense of Mike, a funeral is a significantly different occasion than a publicized speech.

I have no problem with different rules around a funeral. When someone has died, decorum ought to be enforced. If you viscerally hate the deceased, you can express that at some time other than his interment.  "Time and place" restrictions are appropriate.

Disagree.  Some folks should have their funerals stopped and their graves pissed on.  A funeral is an event generally honoring someone, if you strongly disagree with the dead person you should be able to say so.

Let's remember too, that we aren't talking about the actual funeral here.  NYPD chose to parade down a street.  They can do that, but they can't force everyone to agree with them.

Have the funeral on private property, own by people that agree with you, and this isn't an issue.

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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2017, 01:49:30 PM »
Disagree.  Some folks should have their funerals stopped and their graves pissed on.  A funeral is an event generally honoring someone, if you strongly disagree with the dead person you should be able to say so.

makattak's point was that there are other venues for expressing your disrespect for a dead person. A funeral, however, is usually a one-time-only event. If protesting the dead is political speech, then honoring them is also political. Protecting that political speech can (and I think, should) mean that the funeral is off limits. But oh teh noes! You restrict speech at that one time and place, and suddenly the opposition is silenced fureverz!!


No, there is no such Freedom protected by our Constitution.  There may, in some places be some local laws.  Or you can buy enough land that you can't hear anyone outside your property.  Or, in some places you can nag the local gov until they put restrictions on the airport that was there when you bought the house.  But that last would be "not freedom" for other people as opposed to "freedom" for you.

So you accept that laws may be valid, even if not based on a particular "freedom from ___" spelled out in the Constitution?


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Most people understand the distinction of, and increased protections afforded to, political speech.

They don't understand that, but even if we only protect political speech, that doesn't stop people from insisting that things like pornography are political speech. Perhaps I'm misinformed, but I think that argument has actually worked in the courts.
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Re: F the Police kid - evicted?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2017, 02:05:36 PM »

So you accept that laws may be valid, even if not based on a particular "freedom from ___" spelled out in the Constitution?

You need to drop this strawman.  I never said they weren't.  Speed limits are valid, even though you don't have a "Freedom to Speed".  Noise ordinances are, by and large, valid.  (there have been some in the past that weren't, or were stupid for other reasons.)  I never said they weren't.

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Freedom to conduct a funeral without being harassed? 

I allowed as that doesn't exist as a protected right.  There is no such "Freedom" unless you choose to have said funeral on your own property, and that property is large enough to shield you from it's borders.

Full stop.  That's the end of my statement.  Stop trying to read extra crap into it. 

There is nothing special about a funeral traipsing down a public road that means everyone should be legally forced to be respectful.  And there shouldn't be.  That's what societal pressure is for if you feel that strongly.  (hint: like what the landlord did).