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DustinD · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2017, 06:42:34 PM »

The department threw Noor under the bus and backed over him. I will post details when I get home.

Harteau took a firm position on the shooting: "Justine didn't have to die." And Noor's actions "go against who we are as a department."

At one point, she reiterated that "we are talking about one individual's interactions." A clear departure from past officer shootings.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2017, 08:33:07 PM »

FOX is saying at least 2 shots were fired. Don't know where they got that information, but if it's true that means it wasn't "just" a negligent discharge; the shots were fired intentionally.

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2017, 06:42:10 PM »

Minneapolis police chief: "Justine Damond didn't have to die."

http://www.startribune.com/justine-damond-didnt-have-to-die-says-minneapolis-police-chief-janee-harteau-justine-ruszczyk/435651393/

... but she stops short of calling the shooting unjustified.

Some want Chief Harteau to be fired as well:

http://www.startribune.com/the-latest-some-call-for-minneapolis-police-chief-s-ouster/435906023/

Scout26 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 21, 2017, 07:07:58 PM »

She can't be fired...she resigned..

castle key · « **Reply #29 on:** July 21, 2017, 08:24:23 PM »

The Police Chief resigned.... no doubt from community/boss pressure. This is a beautiful example of the landmines when playing identity politics.

The Chief, a Native American Lesbian, hires a black naturalized Muslim Somali who ultimately shoots and kills an unarmed white female tourist in what appears to be a rather questionable chain of events.

When this officer was hired, no doubt she and the rest of the command staff patted themselves on their backs and congratulated each other about how enlightened they are. And then disaster strikes...

It really doesn't matter if any of the non merit factors have any role in this fiasco; the damage is done.

Identity politics crashes and burns.

And no one will learn from this... a bit like socialism. It's just not the right people playing this game; we'll get it right.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #30 on:** July 21, 2017, 08:42:42 PM »

The city council would have fired the chief if she hadn't resigned. I hope they don't think this fixes everything.

DustinD · « **Reply #31 on:** July 21, 2017, 08:55:47 PM »

The mayor Betsy Hodges said she requested the resignation. The assistant chief was promoted to chief. Members of the city council were also calling f0or the resignation. I am not sure if they moved to do anything officially.

The Austrailian lady was outside her home, she was going to get married here soon, so not a tourist.

Right now as I type there is a pretty big protest in downtown Minneapolis headed for Mayor's press conference demanding Mayor & Police Union President resign.

I have heard some pretty solid rumors from many decent quality sources that Noor was an extreme diversity hire that would have seriously failed otherwise. I plan on tracking down his public employment info to confirm. Also, a few sources, some media, some local people I know say Noor had a really bad personality, was jumpy, and didn't get along with his neighbors or people in the department.

Edit to add: The protesters drove the Mayor off the stage with disruptions.

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #32 on:** July 21, 2017, 09:50:14 PM »

I am heartbroken that it took this level of tragedy to get Joe Average up in arms to protest this kind of abomination.
Way passed time for pitchforks and torches when something like this happens.

DustinD · « **Reply #33 on:** July 21, 2017, 09:57:41 PM »

This is the third time it has happened in Minneapolis in recent memory. One lowlife that deserved it in every sense of the word. One innocent black permit holder, Castile, and now a white woman.

https://twitter.com/StribJany/status/888576621984305153 The mayor was chased off the stage three times. Keep in mind this mayor is ultra liberal and advocating rioting after Trump won the election, as well as rioting after the first Low life I mentioned died and the 4th precinct burned.

DustinD · « **Reply #34 on:** July 21, 2017, 10:32:15 PM »

Dehn is running for mayor and is one of two persons likely to win. He is a convicted felon (burglary) and admitted drug addict. He wants to dismantle law enforcement as we know it. literally get rid of most of it all together.

Quote from: Mayoral candidate and current State House Representative Raymond Dehn

"Crime is not a product of individual morality but the consequence of scarcity in our society. We must divest resources, disarm officers, and dismantle the inherent violence of our criminal justice system which continues to uphold white supremacy. Our approach to public safety must reflect a belief that our communities are safer when they have housing, clean air and water, access to education and employment, and quality healthcare."

DustinD · « **Reply #35 on:** July 21, 2017, 10:34:34 PM »

First comment on Hodge's post about the protests: "We clearly can be sure everyone is safe even when we can't hold a damn press conference in City Hall after hours."

All nonpress persons were kicked out of the meeting room.

hodges: "I will not resign"

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #36 on:** July 21, 2017, 11:28:03 PM »

Small wonder the Chief was asked to resign. She seemed to have a bit of a cognitive disconnect:

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“This is about an individual officer’s actions. It is not about race or ethnicity,” Harteau said. “We have a very robust training and hiring process. This officer completed that training very well, just like every officer. He was very suited to be on the street.”

It seems patently obvious that Officer Noor was not at all very suited to be on the street. In fact, he's probably not very suited to be dog catcher.

LadySmith · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2017, 04:30:07 AM »

Another thing missing from this story is the usual character assassination of the victim.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2017, 07:37:04 AM »

Quote from: LadySmith on July 22, 2017, 04:30:07 AM

Another thing missing from this story is the usual character assassination of the victim.

True enough.

makattak · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2017, 11:21:25 AM »

Quote from: LadySmith on July 22, 2017, 04:30:07 AM

Another thing missing from this story is the usual character assassination of the victim.

I'm going to assume she doesn't have priors and isn't a drug user. (Though as a yoga instructor, who knows?)

I'm also betting it has to do with her sex rather than her race. (See the permit holder murdered by the LVPD a few years ago)

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2017, 11:31:58 AM »

It was night, and she was reportedly wearing her pajamas. Maybe Noor thought she was a ghost.

Scout26 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2017, 11:36:04 AM »

Quote from: LadySmith on July 22, 2017, 04:30:07 AM

Another thing missing from this story is the usual character assassination of the victim.

She's a yoga instructor. Isn't that enough ??

DustinD · « **Reply #42 on:** July 22, 2017, 04:24:59 PM »

I think Blue Lives Matter took a stab at character assassination. Someone, maybe them, was trying and failed to link her yoga practice to either a Satanic cult or the occult.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/22/palmisano-police-chief/amp/ lots of protests starting. This could not have happened to a more screwy mayor, she may as well have been the mayor of a place like Berkeley with her views and antics.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2017, 12:25:47 PM »

DustinD · « **Reply #44 on:** March 20, 2018, 01:42:03 PM »

http://kstp.com/news/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-shooting-minneapolis-decision-/4833117/?cat=1

Charged with 3rd-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. He turned himself in.

Firethorn · « **Reply #45 on:** March 20, 2018, 02:00:35 PM »

Quote from: DustinD on March 20, 2018, 01:42:03 PM

http://kstp.com/news/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-shooting-minneapolis-decision-/4833117/?cat=1

Charged with 3rd-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. He turned himself in.

Hopefully at least the 2nd degree manslaughter might stick?

edit: 2nd degree manslaughter:

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609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

I remember this coming up before that 2nd degree manslaughter would be a hard case actually, as it requires 'consciously'.

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609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

Here we have the requirement for a "depraved mind, without regard for human life"

I can see both of these actually being tough to convict a police officer saying he got scared and thought he was defending himself and his fellow officer...

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #46 on:** March 20, 2018, 06:56:44 PM »

Quote from: Firethorn on March 20, 2018, 02:00:35 PM

edit: 2nd degree manslaughter:
I remember this coming up before that 2nd degree manslaughter would be a hard case actually, as it requires 'consciously'.

I think choosing to draw a lethal weapon (firearm), point said lethal weapon in the direction of a human being, and pull the trigger without assessing for a threat would qualify as "consciously."

De Selby · « **Reply #47 on:** March 20, 2018, 07:54:48 PM »

Usually in these cases the racial mix between shooter and victim is the other way. This will be an interesting one to watch - I wonder how it’ll compare to the hung jury in South Carolina.

makattak · « **Reply #48 on:** September 13, 2018, 02:56:53 PM »

Update on this case:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/06/former-minneapolis-cops-behavior-before-shooting-death-australian-woman-raised-concerns-court-filings-say.html

According to court documents, psychiatrists warned against hiring the guy, his training officers had misgivings about him, and he pointed a gun at a guy during a routine traffic stop in his first three months.

BUT DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH!, so the politicians had him pushed through so they could tout how "diverse" and "welcoming" they are. After all, it's not them that's going to bear the cost of an incompetent and dangerous police officer.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #49 on:** September 13, 2018, 03:24:49 PM »

It's been over a year and that piece of excrement is still walking around free? That's disgraceful.

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