Author Topic: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military  (Read 4852 times)

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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
Won't this be about as effective as the so-called travel ban?
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 10:00:38 AM »
"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming..victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

Clearly this statement is simply Trump being the bigot he is.

The purpose of our military is social experimentation. If a few more soldiers die because of it, what's the big deal? They are all red-state hicks, anyway.

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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 10:07:06 AM »

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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 10:30:43 AM »
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“This is worse than don’t ask don’t tell, this is don’t serve, don’t serve,” The National Center for Transgender Equality said in a written statement. “This is an appalling attack on our service members;

Somehow I think a majority of "our service members" would disagree with that.

I actually no longer know what all transgender entails in the new definition, but would this have been an issue with someone who had their parts swapped and identity documentation updated pre-enlistment and then kept their mouths shut about it? Or is part of this people with male parts wanting to wear a female uniform and vice versa?
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 10:43:47 AM »
Why would the military want people with psychological problems?    ..............................I guess it depends on what is defined as a psychological problem.
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 10:54:29 AM »
.............................I guess it depends on what is defined as a psychological problem.

Like people who want to pretend to be a gender other than what they are?

Or pretend to not be of any gender?

THOSE people?
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 01:33:12 PM »
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/07/26/uh-oh-george-takei-issues-resistance-warning-to-trump-after-military-transgender-ban/

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Yeah - CA and NY are now against you Trump!  :rofl:


C. Manning apparently seems to be their other spokesperson. Good choice.

I'm not sure how they think they'll win this one. I'm guessing the mil is overwhelmingly on Trump's side on this (and Mattis', as I suspect he had a key opinion here).
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 02:51:59 PM »
Yeah - CA and NY are now against you Trump!  :rofl:


C. Manning apparently seems to be their other spokesperson. Good choice.

I'm not sure how they think they'll win this one. I'm guessing the mil is overwhelmingly on Trump's side on this (and Mattis', as I suspect he had a key opinion here).


I guess. On the other hand, this is why Republicans/conservatives hold our noses and vote for the Bushs and the McCains, and the Trumps. Because if your RINO candidate doesn't win, then you have this kind of nonsense (I should say more of this nonsense) become a precedent, when it obviously never should have been.
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 03:53:07 PM »
Fine policy, poor delivery.
Here’s what actual presidential leadership would look like. After permitting his respected secretary of defense to comprehensively study the issue of transgender service, he would draft a carefully written, factually supported statement describing in detail the military justifications for the policy. Then, with the full, prepared backing of the Pentagon, he’d approach a Republican-controlled Congress and write his policy into law — creating a far more permanent standard that couldn’t be quickly reversed by the next administration and wouldn’t jerk the military into a game of culture-war hot potato depending on whose party controls the White House.

But that’s hard work. It’s much easier just to tweet.


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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2017, 04:38:31 PM »
Totally getting my money's worth out of this administration.  >:D

I'm really enjoying watching the pendulum swing back towards sanity,  the crazies in the LBGWTFBBQ crowd are losing their *expletive deleted*it, and it's beautiful.
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There is no such thing as a "transgender" person.  Only mental illness that should be discouraged.

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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 04:52:33 PM »
Totally getting my money's worth out of this administration.  >:D

I'm really enjoying watching the pendulum swing back towards sanity,  the crazies in the LBGWTFBBQ crowd are losing their *expletive deleted*it, and it's beautiful.
Agreed.  He is definitely ticking off all the right people. 
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2017, 04:54:21 PM »
Donald Trump Jr's response:

https://twitter.com/dontrumpjrjr/status/890224317258096641


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Earlier Sean Spicier tweeted
https://twitter.com/sean_spicier/status/890215173369344001
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It's not like the President wanted to ban transgendered from the military, but lobbing glitter at our enemy just isn't going to work anymore
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2017, 06:16:24 PM »
Donald Trump Jr's response:

https://twitter.com/dontrumpjrjr/status/890224317258096641




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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2017, 06:18:07 PM »
Ok, I got out just before the last tranny shift. I knew when that lame duck order went in it would cause a mess. First, more training; annual of course but first a stand down. My little unit, 4000 man-hours up in smoke right off the bat. We were statistically smited, out of 400 people we had two trannys. They had been ordered to maintain uniform standards and not take hormones. I know leadership had already spent a lot of time helping these two. And here's the thing, I had long pegged both as useless dead weight years before I knew any of their gender issues. Underlying mental issues that made them unfit to serve were evident to me. They were a burden on our mission.

Years ago I dated a chick who went off to boot camp. She fell for the scare tactic and finally admitted to something the drills knew nothing about but that she had not disclosed at enlistment. In the past had taken meds for bipolar. On the next flight home, done. I would guess gender dysphoria to be a more serious issue than latent bipolar or failure to disclose.

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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 09:12:47 PM »
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2017, 09:01:11 PM »
Mattis has put a hold on Trump's order regarding transgenders. There must be a good deal more to this story. I would have thought Mattis would have been one of the people advising Trump on the original order.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/29/mattis-freezes-trump-ban-on-transgender-troops-pending-review.html
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2017, 12:50:31 AM »
Ben Shapiro on Transgenderism.

https://youtu.be/gkONHNXGfaM
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Re: Trump Say No To Transgenders In The Military
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2017, 09:15:30 AM »
Mattis has put a hold on Trump's order regarding transgenders. There must be a good deal more to this story. I would have thought Mattis would have been one of the people advising Trump on the original order.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/29/mattis-freezes-trump-ban-on-transgender-troops-pending-review.html

That headline seems a bit dramatic - he's doing exactly what the order says. No new transgenders can join, but doing a study on transgenders already serving to determine if they can stay.

https://twitter.com/MikeSacksEsq/status/902707631848087552
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