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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 10:23:01 AM »

Try telling a Democrat of the leftist/liberal persuasion that nullifying DACA, securing our borders and deporting (at least)the IAs who are felons or have committed high misdemeanors because doing so is NOT a question of morality or human rights, but one of the rule of law upon which our country was founded and has thrived.   The irony, you will discover, is that those who would proclaim that the government should be in charge of, well, just about everything, will swallow their tongues over the notion that the government should secure the border, have some reasonable immigration laws including deportation.

I have no problem with those young people who were brought here by parents illegally being singled out by a law passed by congress that seeks to ameliorate the problem with that particular class of illegal immigrant with some reasonable expectations that they would have to fulfill.

After our borders have been secured as much as possible, I am not opposed to having any illegal who has a job, a place to live, not on welfare, not been convicted of a felony or high misdemeanor to come forward and be granted residency with a pathway to citizenship that requires learning English, swearing allegiance to the USA and participating in some reasonable way in community service for a reasonable period of time.  You support La Raza?  Get the hell out.


National sovereignty is not about human rights or morality, it's about having a rule of law that serve the interest of the country and its citizenry.
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 10:54:55 AM »

I saw this, in response to Bible passages that are supposedly pro-DACA:



http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/07/believing-in-national-sovereignty-doesnt-make-you-a-bad-christian/
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 12:16:51 PM »

I saw this, in response to Bible passages that are supposedly pro-DACA:



http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/07/believing-in-national-sovereignty-doesnt-make-you-a-bad-christian/

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Generally speaking, countries tend not to reward illegal immigrants with citizenship, particularly if they hope to send a message to inhabitants of the region that rule of law is important or that further illegal immigration is undesirable. If attachment based on land, laws, and institutions are derided, other attachments become stronger, including those based on race and religion. Without strong adherence to the rule of law, these non-national attachments can lead to strife and violence within a country.

I had never considered this previously. That is a very interesting point to make that the breakdown of the rule of law may result in greater tribalism.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2017, 01:00:51 PM »

From the article:

I had never considered this previously. That is a very interesting point to make that the breakdown of the rule of law may result in greater tribalism.


Just look what's going on in our country right now.  Tribalism is the net result of the divide and conquer aspect of leftism.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2017, 05:42:28 AM »

http://video.gq.com/watch/the-closer-with-keith-olbermann-drumpf-s-daca-decision-is-a-grim-turning-point

is it just me, or was that threatening black trump supporters with the klan? Face Palm!
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2017, 12:13:15 PM »

Ah, the irony never ends. UC regents are suing DHS over DACA, citing "lack of due process". Same university system is joining others in their outrage over the dept of education nixing parts of Obama's Title IX, which pretty much threw out due process at the university level in favor of student kangaroo courts.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/09/08/ex-homeland-security-director-backs-daca-lawsuit-against-trump-admin/
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2017, 03:22:09 PM »

Here's a new wrinkle: 40%+ of DACAns are frauds.

Could be as high as 50% and could even be higher than that says a former fed investigator.
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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2017, 07:27:51 AM »

How strange that Trump is a lying, narssastic philandering ahole and he's still the best president I can remember.  And I didn't even vote for him!  The bar for presidential performance is so low, anything good he does is a wonderful surprise.
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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2017, 12:49:03 PM »

DACA was unconstitutional when they passed it.  It was a ploy by barack hussein to flood America with illegals.  They are not wanted, not needed, and should be returned to sender.
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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2017, 07:30:45 PM »

Looks like Trump traded DACA for some other things.

I'm not optimistic that he's going to get anything close to worth it on this deal.

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"We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that's acceptable to both sides," Pelosi and Schumer said in a joint statement.

"But given that we're evil weasels we will do everything possible to not follow through on this deal. So we're going to get everything we want and not give up anything." They said, chuckling evilly, as they went back into their underrock lair.
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2017, 03:06:17 AM »

I read that some Republicans will be unhappy. :duh:

I think it's time to start writing to Republican congresscritters to remind them that they brought this on themselves. The Republicans control both houses of Congress. If they won't do what the People elected Trump to accomplish, then why should he pay any attention to them? I prefer to think of this as a warning shot over the Republicans' bow -- straighten up and fly the mission, or become [even more] irrelevant.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2017, 04:17:32 AM »

I read that some Republicans will be unhappy. :duh:

I think it's time to start writing to Republican congresscritters to remind them that they brought this on themselves. The Republicans control both houses of Congress. If they won't do what the People elected Trump to accomplish, then why should he pay any attention to them? I prefer to think of this as a warning shot over the Republicans' bow -- straighten up and fly the mission, or become [even more] irrelevant.

Why would this be a warning shot? This is exactly what their masters want, and now they don't have to take the blame for it.

It's a gift to them.
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2017, 05:38:25 AM »

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/14/trump-says-no-deal-reached-dems-over-dreamers-border-wall/665109001/

"The wall will come later"

No, Mr. President, it won't. We've been sold this bill of goods OVER AND OVER. The Democrats and the weasel Republicans will get what they want and then continue to block the wall. This is simply a betrayal of the biggest reason you were elected.

Your caving will ensure a "President-elect Elizabeth Warren" in November of 2020. Congratulations, Madame President.  
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2017, 06:45:11 AM »

Your caving will ensure a "President-elect Elizabeth Warren Kamala Harris" in November of 2020. Congratulations, Madame President.  


FTFY.

I think if you don't live on the liberal elite coasts you may not see just how much of a push there is to make her the female Obama. She's a vapid airhead, but also everything that Obama, Hillary, and Bernie/Warren/etc lovers want, all rolled into one, and she already has tons of money rolling in. About the only people on that side that don't want her running are the old time establishment dems, like Feinstein.
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2017, 07:15:46 AM »

FTFY.

I think if you don't live on the liberal elite coasts you may not see just how much of a push there is to make her the female Obama. She's a vapid airhead, but also everything that Obama, Hillary, and Bernie/Warren/etc lovers want, all rolled into one, and she already has tons of money rolling in. About the only people on that side that don't want her running are the old time establishment dems, like Feinstein.

She's even worse than Elizabeth Warren. Of course she'll win.
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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2017, 07:48:12 AM »

Fitting:  https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/09/14/brit-humes-tweet-from-2016-explains-todays-daca-debate/
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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2017, 07:59:29 AM »

Yeah, well if he ends up supporting / signing DACA I will go back to hating him again.

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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2017, 08:09:43 AM »

Yeah, well if he ends up supporting / signing DACA I will go back to hating him again.

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Yeah, you know, I want to give him benefit of the doubt, mostly because of what the GOPe has been doing. While I have no problems with him doing workarounds to that obstruction, I have a big problem if he just decides to go for spite and simply starts backing the dem agenda.
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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2017, 08:25:13 AM »

FTFY.

I think if you don't live on the liberal elite coasts you may not see just how much of a push there is to make her the female Obama. She's a vapid airhead, but also everything that Obama, Hillary, and Bernie/Warren/etc lovers want, all rolled into one, and she already has tons of money rolling in. About the only people on that side that don't want her running are the old time establishment dems, like Feinstein.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/21057/new-poll-bernie-sanders-way-ahead-democratic-2020-tyler-dahnke

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Of the respondents, 28% chose the millionaire socialist Sanders as their preferred candidate. Joe Biden, who came in second behind Sanders, finished with only 17%, while intersectional favorite, Kamala Harris, earned a measly 6%.
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 09:18:51 AM »

Obama was a nobody with no chance either. We'll likely have to wait till around 2019 either way to see what shakes out. Personally, I think Sanders will end up being too old.
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« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2017, 10:46:06 AM »

Sanders is already too old. Regardless of who their chosen candidate is in 2020, the Democrats won't allow Sanders to run again as a Democrat.
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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2017, 10:53:24 AM »

I suspect it will be some combination of Harris/Warren.
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2017, 09:11:33 PM »

I have had a change of heart on DACA. I propose that every citizen found guilty of Antifa/Black Lives Matter violence or vandalism should have the blessing of exchanging their American citizenship for the nationality of a promising young "Dreamer." Said "Dreamer" shall immediately enjoy full citizenship, and said American (now ex-American) hooligan shall be deported.
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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2017, 02:42:59 AM »

I have had a change of heart on DACA. I propose that every citizen found guilty of Antifa/Black Lives Matter violence or vandalism should have the blessing of exchanging their American citizenship for the nationality of a promising young "Dreamer." Said "Dreamer" shall immediately enjoy full citizenship, and said American (now ex-American) hooligan shall be deported.

I be down wit dat.


On another note, I see that there are some in the [illegal] immigrant community who aren't in favor of legalizing DACA. Instead, they won't be satisfied unless all 11 million illegals are given blanket amnesty.

Sheesh.
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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2017, 06:06:57 AM »

I be down wit dat.


On another note, I see that there are some in the [illegal] immigrant community who aren't in favor of legalizing DACA. Instead, they won't be satisfied unless all 11 million illegals are given blanket amnesty.

Sheesh.

They apparently shouted down Pelosi yesterday and completely rattled her. She cut her press conference or whatever it was short and left.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/18/protesters-call-out-pelosi-over-trump-daca-deal.html
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