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« on: September 08, 2017, 08:43:36 AM »


http://www.newsweek.com/ai-can-tell-if-youre-gay-artificial-intelligence-predicts-sexuality-one-photo-661643
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AI Can Tell If You're Gay: Artificial Intelligence Predicts Sexuality From One Photo with Startling Accuracy

AI got gay-dar.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 08:51:41 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPk00Rm5S3w
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 05:14:29 PM »

I question the concept.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/07/new-artificial-intelligence-can-tell-whether-youre-gay-or-straight-from-a-photograph

There's an old saying: "Correlation does not establish causation."

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The research found that gay men and women tended to have ôgender-atypicalö features, expressions and ôgrooming stylesö, essentially meaning gay men appeared more feminine and vice versa. The data also identified certain trends, including that gay men had narrower jaws, longer noses and larger foreheads than straight men, and that gay women had larger jaws and smaller foreheads compared to straight women.

Human judges performed much worse than the algorithm, accurately identifying orientation only 61% of the time for men and 54% for women. When the software reviewed five images per person, it was even more successful ľ 91% of the time with men and 83% with women. Broadly, that means ôfaces contain much more information about sexual orientation than can be perceived and interpreted by the human brainö, the authors wrote.

The paper suggested that the findings provide ôstrong supportö for the theory that sexual orientation stems from exposure to certain hormones before birth, meaning people are born gay and being queer is not a choice. The machineĺs lower success rate for women also could support the notion that female sexual orientation is more fluid.

Or maybe the findings support the notion that gay people tend to act like gay people, and adopt expressions and mannerisms they consider appropriate for their adopted lifestyle. While there may be some correlation, I don't see anything from the description of the study that could realistically demonstrate that gay-ness stems from pre-birth hormone confusion.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 11:01:59 AM »

The computer also says you Feel the Bern.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/12/artificial-intelligence-face-recognition-michal-kosinski
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 11:45:53 AM »

As if I needed further reasons to avoid having my picture taken.

I wonder if you can become a mail order Amish ...
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 12:08:10 PM »

As if I needed further reasons to avoid having my picture taken.

I wonder if you can become a mail order Amish ...


"Mail Order Amish" - sounds like the title of my next Christian romance best-seller.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 02:03:25 PM »


What causation are you looking for here?

All that is necessary is a strong enough correlation.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 02:14:50 PM »

What causation are you looking for here?

All that is necessary is a strong enough correlation.


Did you read the rest of his post?
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 05:19:31 PM »

It's a recruitment tool.  "Are you sure you're not gay?  Try it, you might like it!"   Tinfoil Hat Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 06:39:44 PM »

I'm surprised that no one has asked if you (fistful) have tried it yet.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 07:15:59 PM »

Oh no. Do you think I could be one of the gays?  sad

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2017, 07:22:01 PM »

Really? I'm the first with this. grin
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2017, 08:00:10 PM »

Or maybe the findings support the notion that gay people tend to act like gay people, and adopt expressions and mannerisms they consider appropriate for their adopted lifestyle. While there may be some correlation, I don't see anything from the description of the study that could realistically demonstrate that gay-ness stems from pre-birth hormone confusion.

Are you suggesting that they're having cosmetic surgery to obtain narrower jaws, longer noses, and larger foreheads for the guys, and larger jaws and smaller foreheads for the women?

Hair style is one thing.  Those things are hard to change.

And that's without things like us being able to tell gay brains from straight brains using things like MRIs.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 09:14:47 PM »

Oh Yeah ?!?!?!  I think the computer is gay !!!!!


 
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 03:37:29 AM »

Oh no. Do you think I could be one of the gays?  sad



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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 08:11:03 AM »

Are you suggesting that they're having cosmetic surgery to obtain narrower jaws, longer noses, and larger foreheads for the guys, and larger jaws and smaller foreheads for the women?

Hair style is one thing.  Those things are hard to change.

And that's without things like us being able to tell gay brains from straight brains using things like MRIs.
I am not seeing that in the article.  It looks like it is a mix of facial features as well as hair style and such.  You are implying it is purely based on inherited features.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 09:57:10 AM »

That's gay!  Tongue
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