President Trump Will Permit Citizens to Buy Military Surplus 1911 Pistols

[K Frame]

I'd say that the chance of any "pristine" examples coming through the CMP are pretty much zero.

One of the big reasons why the 1911 was replaced was the seriously degraded nature of most of the guns then in government stores; guns that were just about at the end of their service life after having been used in three major conflicts.

[Fly320s]

Can we get a two-fer?  Buy a M1911 and receive a M9 free!

[MechAg94]

New email today from the CMP.

To all CMP constituents:
 
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
 
Some preliminary decisions:
 

-    Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
-    All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
-    Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.

-    The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
-    Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
-    No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
-    CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
-    Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
-    Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
-    Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
-    The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
-    Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
-    When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
-    As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

 
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

The one about needing to send FFL information is interesting.

[Fly320s]

Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.

I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911.  You guys can fight over my one pistol.

[HankB]

Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.

I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911.  You guys can fight over my one pistol.

CMP M1 Garands went for reasonable prices, taking into account both their condition and the fact that they're not made any more. (IIRC, a relative handful were made & sold commercially - but not enough to significantly affect the market.) I know I enjoy shooting mine, and it was very satisfying to have it shipped right to my door.

Considering the flood of good - REALLY good - 1911 pattern pistols on the market now, I suspect the asking prices of these USGI guns will be higher than their condition will justify. Unless - somehow - I could identify and get the specific Ithaca-built 1911 my Dad carried in WWII (if it even still exists) I'll also pass on this "opportunity."

So go ahead and help yourself to "my" little piece of history - and enjoy jumping through all the hoops to get it.   

[Jamisjockey]

Seems like a bunch of work to get a probably beaten up M1911, with the outside chance of getting one that is actually nice.

I'm a shooter, not a collector, so I won't be buying a CMP M1911.  You guys can fight over my one pistol.

Agreed. 
I haven't owned a surplus gun since I had a Mosin, and it was a useless piece of *expletive deleted*it. 
I can't imagine these 1911's being in good condition after having been used for decades.

[Ben]

The service grade Springfield M1 Garand that I got for I think $450 is a fine shooter that I can sell for at least twice what I paid for it. Doesn't look like this will be the case for the 1911s.

Were I to buy one, it would be as a safe queen investment. There's nothing wrong with wanting to do that. While I also have some Nosins that are shootable but not fun, and also didn't go up in value much, I also have some K31s that tripled in value. So from the investment side, there's nothing wrong with taking a chance on one of these 1911s. Though I don't know, given the projected CMP prices, that they will appreciate a whole lot.

[Scout26]

Again, they are history.  A gun that fought from WWI up to Desert Storm.   I would love to get the one I carried in Germany (However unlikely and improbable that may be.)   I will probably take mine and shoot it once, then it'll become an investment/safe queen.

 

[Scout26]

I got this "Clarification" from CMP today.

CMP 1911 Information
To all CMP constituents:
 
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
 
Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.
A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred.  This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
 
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license.  BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer.  Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.
 

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

Because TWO NICS checks will make doubly sure that no terrorists or other persons banned or intent upon doing evil will make it through "double secret probation" background checks.   

[Scout26]

Today's CMP e-mail.

CMP 1911 Information
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
 
Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/12/2017:

    CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.
    Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.  CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
    Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.  These are "store front" FFLs.
    A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "store front" FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
    The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred.  This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
    Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
    No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.  All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.
    CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
    Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.
    Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
    Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
    The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
    Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
    When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.
    As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license.  BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer.  Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.
 
Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.
 
Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands.  The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.

 

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

[Brad Johnson]

Browsing the CMP web site and they have Federal Blazer .45 ACP brass case 230gr FMJ for $393/1000 with free shipping. Hmmm... *digs for credit card*

Brad