The Orville on Fox

[230RN]

Oh, good.  I'm busy Thursday nights.   :rolleyes:

[K Frame]

"USS"

Union Space Ship

[K Frame]

"As for this episode - with the advanced aliens stocking a zoo - it was pretty much a ripoff of a 1966 ST:TOS episode ("The Menagerie") which someone obviously went through at the last minute and said "Hey, we need to make some changes so we don't get sued for copyright violations!""

Yeah.... no.

The Menagerie wasn't about aliens stockpiling a zoo. Not even close. Very UNrelated, except for the fact that both a male and female ended up on Talos. The aliens in that episode were benevolent. They didn't view Pike or Vina as inferior in the way that the aliens did in the episode on The Orville.

This episode is FAR more closely related to The Twilight Zone's "People are alike all over," in which Roddy McDowell's astronaut character finds himself in a Martian zoo.

[TommyGunn]

"As for this episode - with the advanced aliens stocking a zoo - it was pretty much a ripoff of a 1966 ST:TOS episode ("The Menagerie") which someone obviously went through at the last minute and said "Hey, we need to make some changes so we don't get sued for copyright violations!""

Yeah.... no.

The Menagerie wasn't about aliens stockpiling a zoo. Not even close. Very UNrelated, except for the fact that both a male and female ended up on Talos. The aliens in that episode were benevolent. They didn't view Pike or Vina as inferior in the way that the aliens did in the episode on The Orville.

This episode is FAR more closely related to The Twilight Zone's "People are alike all over," in which Roddy McDowell's astronaut character finds himself in a Martian zoo.

Good point, although I'm not sure I  agree the Talosians were benevolent in the whole.  They certainly were better than the aliens in the ORVILLE episode, but caging Christopher Pike and making him believe he was in hell was a bit on the mean side.

[K Frame]

And yet, when the Talosians found out that Pike was crippled and essentially active brain trapped in a vegetative body, they freely offered to allow him to live out his life on their planet in a engineered existence that would allow him to completely forget that only his brain worked.

Even after he thwarted their plans to repopulate the planet.

I'd say that that is pretty benevolent.

[RoadKingLarry]

And yet, when the Talosians found out that Pike was crippled and essentially active brain trapped in a vegetative body, they freely offered to allow him to live out his life on their planet in a engineered existence that would allow him to completely forget that only his brain worked.

Even after he thwarted their plans to repopulate the planet.

I'd say that that is pretty benevolent.

 
That's what they want you to believe...
 

[K Frame]

That's what they want you to believe...
 

 

[TommyGunn]

And yet, when the Talosians found out that Pike was crippled and essentially active brain trapped in a vegetative body, they freely offered to allow him to live out his life on their planet in a engineered existence that would allow him to completely forget that only his brain worked.

Even after he thwarted their plans to repopulate the planet.

I'd say that that is pretty benevolent.

I didn't say they were Klingons... ..

[K Frame]

I just read the description for the next episode... It keys off what Bortus said in the last scene of last week's episode. It's so *expletive deleted*ing new wave touchy feely "what is gender anyway" bullshit that I think this episode may make me cancel the series if it is anything like the preachy anti-everything but lefthink screed I suspect it's going to be.

[230RN]

Me, previously:

If it pops up again, I'll watch it just to see if the writer got his act together, but for now, it looked as if it were badly cobbled together and nobody could figure out what they really wanted to do.

Mike Irwin, previously:

It's [description of next episode] so *expletive deleted*ing new wave touchy feely "what is gender anyway" bullshit that I think this episode may make me cancel the series if it is anything like the preachy anti-everything but lefthink screed I suspect it's going to be.

Me, presently:

Aha.  That would explain a lot.  The Propaganda Machine grinds on.


Terry

[Fitz]

"As for this episode - with the advanced aliens stocking a zoo - it was pretty much a ripoff of a 1966 ST:TOS episode ("The Menagerie") which someone obviously went through at the last minute and said "Hey, we need to make some changes so we don't get sued for copyright violations!""

Yeah.... no.

The Menagerie wasn't about aliens stockpiling a zoo. Not even close. Very UNrelated, except for the fact that both a male and female ended up on Talos. The aliens in that episode were benevolent. They didn't view Pike or Vina as inferior in the way that the aliens did in the episode on The Orville.

This episode is FAR more closely related to The Twilight Zone's "People are alike all over," in which Roddy McDowell's astronaut character finds himself in a Martian zoo.

This episode was far closer to the TOS pilot, the Cage, than to the menagerie. If you watch the Cage, you'll see it's a pretty direct homage.

[grampster]

When they run so many ads for a new show, almost constantly, I always figure it's not going over too well.  Much like that stupid, inane, embarrassingly unfunny woman...what'hername's so called comedy show on one of the cable channels.

[Scout26]

Me ??

[Sergeant Bob]

Just as, or more terrible than season 1. Yet somehow very popular with the average American viewer. Scary.

Idiocracy...

[grampster]

No, poor Amy, not you.  You are funny rarely, but you are sometimes.  The other no talent is not funny, ever.  She is embarrassingly so not funny.  I can't even remember her name, though the cable network that advertises her show ever 15 minutes says she's a riot and so good she's up for an Emmy.  That figures.

[zxcvbob]

No, poor Amy, not you.  You are funny rarely, but you are sometimes.  The other no talent is not funny, ever.  She is embarrassingly so not funny.  I can't even remember her name, though the cable network that advertises her show ever 15 minutes says she's a riot and so good she's up for an Emmy.  That figures.

Sarah Silverman?  Kathy Griffin?  Judy Tenuta?  (there are so many)  I thought you were talking about Scout/Amy.

[erictank]

It did remind me a little of the control room crew on sub during the midwatch. I would imagine that in the new kinder and gentler, mixed gender environment of submarines the tone and language is likely a bit more PC today.

There's a bunch of women in the FB Navy Nukes group.

They're generally worse than the guys are.

[Fitz]

So, I watched the latest episode

The captain and most of the crew were of the opinion that allowing gender reassignment of a child was wrong, that her gender was female, and that she should be allowed to be the gender she was born as, regardless of what the parents or alien society thought. They then went before an alien court (aliens whose custom it was to reassign children) to argue that point in front of a judge.

They argued that ones gender wasn't a defect to be "corrected"

Yeah. Total leftist SJWs lol

[makattak]

So, I watched the latest episode

The captain and most of the crew were of the opinion that allowing gender reassignment of a child was wrong, that her gender was female, and that she should be allowed to be the gender she was born as, regardless of what the parents or alien society thought. They then went before an alien court (aliens whose custom it was to reassign children) to argue that point in front of a judge.

They argued that ones gender wasn't a defect to be "corrected"

Yeah. Total leftist SJWs lol

Err... Your summation doesn't necessarily mean it isn't SJW.

They are convinced that if you think you are a female,  even if you really are a male,  you were "born as" a female.  

All that matters is what you want.  Your scenario still supports that belief. In fact,  it's very Star Trek-esque to flip it:

But what if she IS biologicallly female and others don't want her to be?  IT'S JUST THE SAME AS MAKING SOMEONE WHO FEELS LIKE A GIRL FOLLOW HIS OWN BIOLOGY!!!

[Fitz]

Err... Your summation doesn't necessarily mean it isn't SJW.

They are convinced that if you think you are a female,  even if you really are a male,  you were "born as" a female.  

All that matters is what you want.  Your scenario still supports that belief. In fact,  it's very Star Trek-esque to flip it:

But what if she IS biologicallly female and others don't want her to be?  IT'S JUST THE SAME AS MAKING SOMEONE WHO FEELS LIKE A GIRL FOLLOW HIS OWN BIOLOGY!!!

Did you watch it? Are you nuts? The kid was biologically female and her parents wanted to alter her surgically

That insinuation you just jumped to is completely unsupported

[makattak]

Did you watch it? Are you nuts? The kid was biologically female and her parents wanted to alter her surgically

That insinuation you just jumped to is completely unsupported

I didn't jump to an insinuation, I was asking a question. I pointed out that "Star Trek" has pulled that switcheroo before. I recall the STTNG episode where an alien was heterosexual on a homosexual planet and received "Behavior modification" to turn her homosexual.

My response was that being opposed to changing some specific person's biology doesn't mean that they are opposed to changing any person's biology. Your summation didn't exclude that possibility.

Further, you haven't really excluded it yet. Were they opposed to changing her biology because that's wrong per se or were they opposed to changing her biology because she didn't want it?

[Fitz]

I didn't jump to an insinuation, I was asking a question. I pointed out that "Star Trek" has pulled that switcheroo before. I recall the STTNG episode where an alien was heterosexual on a homosexual planet and received "Behavior modification" to turn her homosexual.

My response was that being opposed to changing some specific person's biology doesn't mean that they are opposed to changing any person's biology. Your summation didn't exclude that possibility.

Further, you haven't really excluded it yet. Were they opposed to changing her biology because that's wrong per se or were they opposed to changing her biology because she didn't want it?

I'm sorry, I totally misread your post!

The jist I got from it was that they were opposed to parents changing her biology. So, while it could certainly be the second, I felt a parallel with all the SJWs foisting genderbending on children. The crewmember in the courtroom argued that just because their culture said that changing the baby's gender was ok, and that gender was (and I quote) a "defect to be corrected" didn't make it right. (This particular race was all male, reproduced via some sort of single gender egg laying)

They didn't come out and say that one shouldn't be allowed to change gender, but the insinuation that parents shouldn't force (or pressure) their children was strong

In fact I can't recall if they even commented on the first, and the show is decent but not good enough for me to watch a second time

I'm still on the fence. I like it. If they don't get any more than that episode on the "social commentary" scale I'll keep watching.

I still think it's better than discovery although discovery wasn't as bad as I expected

[K Frame]

I forgot to mention is that the one thing I like about the Orville is that not all races are bipedal analogs of humans.

Larry the yellow blob who has the hots for the Dr. is a refreshing change. Just wish we'd see more of him and his voice (Norm McDonald, I think).

[Perd Hapley]

I thought Norm MacDonald was one of the Deplorables that got pushed out of the business.

[Sindawe]

I didn't jump to an insinuation, I was asking a question. I pointed out that "Star Trek" has pulled that switcheroo before. I recall the STTNG episode where an alien was heterosexual on a homosexual planet and received "Behavior modification" to turn her homosexual.

Hmmm...I recall that the aliens did not support gender identity at all and the the person Riker fell for did identify as female until "fixed in the head". I will admit its been awhile since I've watched that episode.

They didn't come out and say that one shouldn't be allowed to change gender, but the insinuation that parents shouldn't force (or pressure) their children was strong.

This IMAO is a reasonable stance to take.

Good Science Fiction can make one think about one's views, and The Orville has the potential to be that kind of Science Fiction.