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MechAg94
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« on: September 13, 2017, 11:13:00 AM »

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-gun-background-checks-voting-0912-story.html

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by John R. Lott Jr.

Democrats have long lauded background checks on gun purchases as simple, accurate and in complete harmony with the Second Amendment right to own guns. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has bragged that the checks ômake our communities and neighborhoods safer without in any way abridging rights or threatening a legitimate part of the American heritage.ö

If Democrats really believe that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System doesnĺt interfere ôin any wayö with peopleĺs constitutional rights to own a gun, doesn't it follow that the same system would not constitute an infringement on peopleĺs right to vote? This would give Republicans a system for stopping vote fraud and Democrats a system that they have already vigorously endorsed.

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Interesting idea.  
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 05:34:03 PM »

Yeah, but background checks for voting would infringe on the... right....

Um....

...to vote.

Never mind.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 06:35:37 PM »

Never mind.

The problem is that the left don't acknowledge the second as a right.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 06:46:51 PM »

The problem is that the left don't acknowledge the second as a right.

Sure they do.  They taught me all about it in law school.  I can still quote the Con Law professor, spring of 1993...

"Second Amendment.  Sorry, NRA.  It gives the states the right to have a National Guard.  It's not an individual right."

And that was it.  No discussion.  No debate. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 06:59:40 PM »

Sure they do.  They taught me all about it in law school.  I can still quote the Con Law professor, spring of 1993...

"Second Amendment.  Sorry, NRA.  It gives the states the right to have a National Guard.  It's not an individual right."

And that was it.  No discussion.  No debate. 


That's probably the best way to "explain" a position like that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 06:47:02 AM »

Sure they do.  They taught me all about it in law school.  I can still quote the Con Law professor, spring of 1993...

"Second Amendment.  Sorry, NRA.  It gives the states the right to have a National Guard.  It's not an individual right."

And that was it.  No discussion.  No debate. 

Do they really believe that, or just don't want to admit the obvious? Or both?

Admittedly, EVERYONE does the same thing to the Ninth and Ten Amendments. "Uhm. They don't mean what they say... And it doesn't matter anyways. YOU SEE NOTHING, MOVE ALONG"
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 11:43:22 AM »

Basically, leftist morality is all about "fairness" and "caring".  They care nothing about authority or loyalty.  Leftists care nothing about obeying the Constitution since it is "authority."

Conservative morality includes not only fairness and caring, but also authority and loyalty.  This gives conservatives more respect (usually anyway) for the rule of law and the constitution.

Johnathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind" explains this very well.

Basically, leftist are morally incapable of giving a damn about the law or the Constitution.  Hence, their continual support for illegal immigration, voter fraud, restrictions on free speech etc.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 03:23:15 PM »

Basically, leftist morality is all about "fairness" and "caring".  They care nothing about authority or loyalty.  Leftists care nothing about obeying the Constitution since it is "authority."


But they sure like to use the law against their enemies.
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