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US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« on: October 17, 2017, 09:06:19 AM »
Looks like those in nine states will need a passport for domestic flights in the US starting next year. I was surprised CA is no longer on the list.  I know there was a problem because of the whole illegal alien driver's license thing, but it looks like it has been fixed.

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/amp13027232/new-passport-rules-domestic-flights/
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 09:11:53 AM »
You should hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth here in WA from people that are finding out about this just now. It's not like the state has had over a decade to fix it. Instead of directing their anger at the Feds they should be directing it to the state people who thought they could keep getting extensions.

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 10:19:02 AM »

I do love that the article does not point out that these states are effectively the only states without a de facto national identification card.

From the fact that California is compliant, I'm strongly guessing any section impacting illegal immigration is no longer effective. Which was the original argument. With terrorism also mentioned as an obligatory pro forma.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 10:23:23 AM »
Have ID.  Will travel.

I still dislike the whole idea of having to identify myself just to fly. 
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 10:41:43 AM »
I still dislike the whole idea of having to identify myself just to fly. 

It's not unreasonable to check the identity of someone actually operating a half a billion dollar potential cruise missile.  ;)
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 11:13:07 AM »
It's not unreasonable to check the identity of someone actually operating a half a billion dollar potential cruise missile.  ;)

Checking my ID is fine.  Checking the ID of the peons is just silly.  TSA does a perfect job of stopping all the bad peoples.

And "half a billion dollar" plane?  You must be a buyer for FedGov.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 11:20:36 AM »
Checking my ID is fine.  Checking the ID of the peons is just silly.  TSA does a perfect job of stopping all the bad peoples.

And "half a billion dollar" plane?  You must be a buyer for FedGov.


It's worse than that. He supplies to fed.gov.

From what I've heard, and I haven't flown since long before I got my carry permit, airlines do not accept those as ID, even if they have a photo on them. So why should they accept driver's licenses at all?
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 11:36:42 AM »
Checking my ID is fine.  Checking the ID of the peons is just silly.  TSA does a perfect job of stopping all the bad peoples.

And "half a billion dollar" plane?  You must be a buyer for FedGov.

 :laugh:

Honestly, I have no idea what costs are on the commercial fixed wing side are. And again, all depends on how it's all counted. Any maintenance or warranty costs. We can definitely make the numbers say whatever you'd like them to say.   =D

Looked it up, basic airframe is $100m per unit.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 11:42:07 AM »
:laugh:

Honestly, I have no idea what costs are on the commercial fixed wing side are. And again, all depends on how it's all counted. Any maintenance or warranty costs. We can definitely make the numbers say whatever you'd like them to say.   =D

Looked it up, basic airframe is $100m per unit.

I'll give you $125m if you throw in a F35.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 11:48:41 AM »
From the fact that California is compliant, I'm strongly guessing any section impacting illegal immigration is no longer effective. Which was the original argument. With terrorism also mentioned as an obligatory pro forma.
They probably have a tiered license system.  My driver's license is not RealID compliant despite the fact that I could (and may have to) get one from my state.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 11:57:26 AM »
I'll give you $125m if you throw in a F35.

 :lol:

Remember, I worked mostly with head of state and billionaire airframes. Or oil rig service companies buying a small fleet of ultra rugged flying sardine cans. Or SAR. Or weirdo off brand gun ships. So 'normal' costing is beyond me.

And no, I'm not stealing an F-35. I was only contracted to steal an aircraft once, and I'm 95% sure it was a legal repo.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 12:57:38 PM »
Who said steal?  There are many F35s getting pushed aside and forgotten.  The Marines probably can't count all of them anyway.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2017, 02:19:44 PM »
Not sure where Esquire got their info but I count 23 states as Under Review. None show as straight up Not Compliant.

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 02:21:52 PM »
Who said steal?  There are many F35s getting pushed aside and forgotten.  The Marines probably can't count all of them anyway.

All they need is more than 20 for that.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2017, 03:56:40 PM »
All they need is more than 20 for that.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2017, 10:13:52 PM »
All they need is more than 20 for that.

I'd bet there are at least a few that can count to 21.
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2017, 10:14:03 PM »
All they need is more than 20 for that.

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2017, 11:01:05 PM »
They probably have a tiered license system.  My driver's license is not RealID compliant despite the fact that I could (and may have to) get one from my state.

Last I knew, my state offered a choice between RealID-compliant, or not. The RealID version cost a few bucks more, IIRC. I don't remember which I got last time I renewed. I think there was some documentation they wanted for the RealID and I didn't care to be bothered finding it, so I think I chose non-compliance. I can always use my passport card.

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2017, 11:12:57 PM »
MN charges $15 extra for a Real ID compliant drivers license.  My license is up for renewal.  Not sure if I'm gonna pay for the upgrade or not.  It's not the $15, it's the principal.  OTOH, if I don't and I have to fly after January 2018...

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 01:40:10 AM »
I need to see if I can score a business trip to Detroit or Dallas again for after Jan 22, unless the India trip is a go.  That way I can get my employer to spring for my passport fees.

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 08:43:36 AM »
Have ID.  Will travel.

I still dislike the whole idea of having to identify myself just to fly. 

the al qaeda folks feel the same way.    laughing

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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 09:00:42 AM »
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Re: US APS Members Who Will Need a Passport to Enter the US
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 09:43:14 AM »
All they need is more than 20 for that.

Ouch. :lol:



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But an expensive date.  Supposed to go down to US$85M a pop after a while.

Ticks me off that my Carry Permit is vetted about 10X my driver's license, yet I can't use it for ID.  On the other hand, my social security number, which is or was not supposed to be used for ID, is required by every piddlyfarty jackass in the country.

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