Kate Steinle Killer Found Not Guilty

[Angel Eyes]

Well, that didn't take long:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/01/doj-files-arrest-warrant-for-illegal-immigrant-acquitted-in-kate-steinle-case.html

[dogmush]

As I read more about the case, I have found several new sites that have said the jury considered, and acquitted on,  Murder 1, Involuntary Manslaughter, and assault with a semi-automatic weapon.

I haven't seen anything on the jury instructions, but it does seem as though the jury may have been making a political statement.  The killing certainly seems to fit involuntary manslaughter without too much of a stretch.

[lupinus]

As I read more about the case, I have found several new sites that have said the jury considered, and acquitted on,  Murder 1, Involuntary Manslaughter, and assault with a semi-automatic weapon.

I haven't seen anything on the jury instructions, but it does seem as though the jury may have been making a political statement.  The killing certainly seems to fit involuntary manslaughter without too much of a stretch.

I don't know if it's accurate, but it was mentioned on the news this morning that the jury had a chance to examine the gun as well as test it's trigger for themselves.

I'm picturing this scene of zomg it pulls so easy of course it happened accidentally!

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[French G.]

I've shot a Glock a lot that had a two lb trigger. I know plenty of 20oz 1911 triggers. My carry Glock is 5lb with less pretravel. So a bunch of morons that never touched a gun tried it?

[De Selby]

Ben, You're correct I would not give him a break for being undocumented either.  And it's plausible that a San Fran jury did, and they shouldn't have.  I was commenting on our little corner of the internet frothing about the murder acquittal.  I five comments before mine two implied they'd kill him, and one mentioned vigilante retribution (in a movie,but still).  A cursory googling of CA penal codes on murder seems like the jurywas correct not to convict for murder.  We should hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse than a lynch mob or SJW jury.

BTR, that definition isn't CA's.  I'm always amazed at how much the details of laws change from state to state.  Here's some discussion of CA Penal Code 192(b):

It would appear to me, a layman, that his actions fit that crime very nicely.  Does anyone actually know if a jury in CA can consider a lesser offence?  The whole "lesser included offense" thing is not universal.  Murder in CA requires the intent to kill the person you killed.  That would be VERY difficult to prove in this case, even were it being tried in Jackson, MS.

This. Nailed it. Also a feature of Zimmerman.

The problem is that evidence of a malice crime actually tends to disprove evidence of negligence. The result is that the jury rightly concludes “you don’t know and can’t prove what happened so you’re just giving me a bunch of contradictory stories”, and acquits.

Whatever it was, it wasn’t a murder and attempts to prove such would’ve made the jury think the prosecution were lying.

[RoadKingLarry]

Occam's razor.

The DA's office knew damn good and well they couldn't get a murder conviction and didn't want one.
Fuque Trump!

[Hawkmoon]

I know plenty of 20oz 1911 triggers.

Really? A LOT of 20-ounce 1911s? Any 1911 gunsmith or aficionado will tell you that's unsafe. For carry, 4-1/2 to 5 pounds is generally considered to be a minimum. The minimum for .45 caliber pistols in NRA bullseye competition is 3-1/2 pounds. I can't understand why anyone would want a 1911 with a 1-1/4-pound trigger, let alone a lot of them.

[RoadKingLarry]

Really? A LOT of 20-ounce 1911s? Any 1911 gunsmith or aficionado will tell you that's unsafe. For carry, 4-1/2 to 5 pounds is generally considered to be a minimum. The minimum for .45 caliber pistols in NRA bullseye competition is 3-1/2 pounds. I can't understand why anyone would want a 1911 with a 1-1/4-pound trigger, let alone a lot of them.

Has KD5NRH taken up gunsmithing?

[KD5NRH]

Has KD5NRH taken up gunsmithing?

My 1911 had a 4.6 lb trigger, done by one of the best 1911 specialists in the region.

My Blackhawk, OTOH, was ~1lb.  Big difference with a revolver that won't be cocked unless it's already pointed in the intended direction.

As for the shooter, IMO the solution is just to make the commission of a crime while in the country illegally after having been deported count as however many levels of enhancement it takes to get drawn and quartered for loitering.

[French G.]

I played gun games, never could afford my dream SVI, but shot others. Not carry, but the same guys thought nothing of sub threes on their carry guns. The Glock of mine was too exciting for carry. I tend to not like to shoot my gun games 625 SA because it is stupid light. But I still never accidentally shot a person while fleeing a sea lion. The whole dangerous SIG went off is laughable.

[230RN]

Hank B:

They track the illegals by their social security numbers. (Or maybe driver's license numbers? EBT card numbers?)

I tried to laugh over that joke.

Fox News Article:

Officials at the Department of Justice told Fox News that there is an existing federal detainer that requires Zarate to be remanded into the custody of the U.S. Marshals to be transported to the Western District of Texas pursuant to the arrest warrant.

Gollygosh whillikers, that looks like it's going to be fun.

What's Dog Chapman doing lately?

Terry

[Fly320s]

Really? A LOT of 20-ounce 1911s? Any 1911 gunsmith or aficionado will tell you that's unsafe. For carry, 4-1/2 to 5 pounds is generally considered to be a minimum. The minimum for .45 caliber pistols in NRA bullseye competition is 3-1/2 pounds. I can't understand why anyone would want a 1911 with a 1-1/4-pound trigger, let alone a lot of them.

Those guns are used in competition, not for carry, and they are not unsafe.  The trigger is very light, yes, but it is still easily controlled.

As for carry, and gun safety in general, if you don't want the gun to go bang, don't pull the trigger.

[Hawkmoon]

Those guns are used in competition, not for carry, and they are not unsafe.  The trigger is very light, yes, but it is still easily controlled.

As for carry, and gun safety in general, if you don't want the gun to go bang, don't pull the trigger.

I have to disagree. I carry a 1911 (several, in fact, but only one at any particular time), I've competed with 1911s, and I hang out with people who both carry and compete with 1911s. In both bullseye and "practical" shooting sports. I don't know anyone who has or wants a trigger as light as even 2 pounds on his competition gun. One friend in particular with whom I had this discussion about six months ago said he has his competition 1911 set for a 3-1/2-pound trigger and his carrry guns are at 4-1/2 pounds for legal/liability reasons.

My carry guns are all in the range of 4-1/2 to 5 pounds. I also test guns, and I've received some from the manufacturers with triggers in the 3 to 3-1/2 pound range. I can say unequivocally that I found it more difficult to shoot a gun with a 3-1/2-pound trigger accurately than I do shooting a pistol with a 5-pound trigger. The problem is that, despite not jerking the trigger, and going for the proverbial "surprise break," after you've fire a few hundred thousand rounds through the same kind of gun with the same (or mostly the same) trigger pull, muscle memory takes over and your trigger finger "knows" when the trigger is supposed to break even if your brain is trying hard not to anticipate. And I find that guns with 3-1/2-pond triggers simply "go off before they're supposed to." I wouldn't want to have anything to do with a 1911 that has a 1-1/4-pound trigger. IMHO, that's VERY unsafe.

[230RN]

Was the gun issued by the agency?  What were the trigger specs in the case of an agency-issued gun?  Just "factory?"

[Angel Eyes]

 Was watching "Judge Janine" on Fox News talk about the gun used in the Steinle shooting (a Sig-Sauer P239), all the while showing a picture of a Glock on the screen.   

 

[RoadKingLarry]

Was watching "Judge Janine" on Fox News talk about the gun used in the Steinle shooting (a Sig-Sauer P239), all the while showing a picture of a Glock on the screen.   

 

Stoopid newz spokers. That was an ar-47K.

[Angel Eyes]

Time to dust this off again?

[LadySmith]

I believe the killer would've gotten prison time if he'd harmed any of the "sea animals" he once claimed to have been aiming at.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Kate-Steinle-killer-s-rambling-account-He-12324625.php

[Boomhauer]

Well wildlife is far more important than a citizen. Maybe they should have tried him for attempted murder of a seal instead

[Ben]

I believe the killer would've gotten prison time if he'd harmed any of the "sea animals" he once claimed to have been aiming at.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Kate-Steinle-killer-s-rambling-account-He-12324625.php

That's an excellent point. Even accidental death of a marine mammal, if negligent, can result in extremely high fines, or if you don't have money, time in the pokey. Even making a marine mammal change its behavior, such as by walking up (or boating up) to it, causing it to move, results in a significant fine.

Had he "accidentally" shot the seal, he likely would have received a worse punishment than what he walked away with here.

[Ben]

Time to dust this off again?

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That chart is way outdated now. No chainsaw modded rifle.

[Angel Eyes]

Defense lawyer is now appealing the conviction for gun possession: 

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/04/kate-steinle-appeal-gun-conviction/

He's got brass ones, I'll grant him that.

[Ben]

Necro.

Time served on the gun charge. I doubt any of us would get a break like that.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/01/05/this-is-a-disgrace-notice-anything-missing-from-this-ap-tweet-about-kate-steinles-killer/

[KD5NRH]

Time served on the gun charge. I doubt any of us would get a break like that.

Possession by a felon is 2-10.  So he got the minimum sentence and time served.  Five deportations, seven felony convictions and on probation from another state at the time of the shooting is not the type of person you give minimum sentences to.

[zxcvbob]

Possession by a felon is 2-10.  So he got the minimum sentence and time served.  Five deportations, seven felony convictions and on probation from another state at the time of the shooting is not the type of person you give minimum sentences to.

They were trying to send a message.