Generation Commie

[K Frame]

" However I have always heard the arguments from socialists that they are different animals."

Yeah, a grizzly bear vs a polar bear.

Both are going to eat you.

[Boomhauer]

My point is, these little *expletive deleted*ers think that they have it tough. Yeah, they're coming out with high student loan debt. But as a percentage of starting income, I'm wondering if the disparity is as great as what's claimed.

A lot of the whiners about student loan debt inflicted it upon themselves because they wanted to go to the big name school or the shiny fancy private school that costs four or five times what the ordinary state school costs for the same degree that would get you the same damn job but without the appeal and "prestige" of the fancier school







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[Ben]

A lot of the whiners about student loan debt inflicted it upon themselves because they wanted to go to the big name school or the shiny fancy private school that costs four or five times what the ordinary state school costs for the same degree that would get you the same damn job but without the appeal and "prestige" of the fancier school
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Well, not necessarily the case. When I got hired at my job, one of the first things they got excited about was where I got my science degree.

An engineering degree from MIT will almost always put someone in better stead than an engineering degree from Podunk U. On the other hand, a feminist studies degree, whether from Brown or from Podunk U, will be treated about the same by the manager at the Starbucks when you end up having to apply there.

That doesn't mean someone can't go to state college and get a good degree for less money. It all depends on the college.  A state college might have one outstanding department and a bunch of mediocre ones. If your discipline (in something useful) matches the department with the good rep, you're good to go.

[MechAg94]

So IMO, they still did it to themselves, but it isn't just that they went to an expensive school, but got a worthless degree. 

And I would say a degree at a smaller or lower rated school can still be very useful, but it puts more on the individual to have the grades and put in the work to prove themselves.  Assuming of course the degree is useful. 

[grampster]

My kids and grandkids listened to me.  I told them to learn a trade.  The did and are.  But still it's tough.  My one grandkid is a plumbing apprentice.  But his rent is $1000.00 a month in a modest apt.  Car insurance is insane in Michigan.  Taxes are burdensome. They all hate liberals, so there is hope..

[K Frame]

A lot of the whiners about student loan debt inflicted it upon themselves because they wanted to go to the big name school or the shiny fancy private school that costs four or five times what the ordinary state school costs for the same degree that would get you the same damn job but without the appeal and "prestige" of the fancier school

Good lord yes.

Former neighbor's sister was a good case in point.

Went to Duke for her undergrad degree.

Was going to Columbia for her graduate degrees.

In social work.

I have NO idea if she was taking out student loans, etc., but for degrees in social work going to two of the most expensive unis in the country?

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[MillCreek]

Sometimes, the expensive schools and most notably the Ivy League schools, offer valuable networking opportunities that add to the value of the degree. 

[CypherNinja]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2017/08/11/why-democrats-should-be-losing-sleep-over-generation-z/#3c4d7b697878

Apparently the kids are alright. 

[Ben]

Sometimes, the expensive schools and most notably the Ivy League schools, offer valuable networking opportunities that add to the value of the degree.  

As much as I hate to use the term, yes, networking can be a big part of it. I certainly made connections in my field that I would never have had contact with at say, Fresno State. Also, in my field, I had access to hardware and labs that most state schools couldn't afford.

I will say that I think the school/dept makes more of a difference in thiose areas with advanced degrees versus an undergrad degree. It's also only part of the equation, with the student being a greater part. On the graduate level, if doing an interview, I would pay more attention to the Podunk grad that had a 4.0 and examples of well done graduate research in his resume vs the "well known school" student with a 2.5 who did nothing more than the bare minimum of a thesis or simply tested out. At least in the sciences.

Also, I have mentioned this in the past, but some of the Ivy league schools will graduate their students "no matter what" to protect their reputation, as drop outs apparently hurt that rep. Example given by an ex girlfriend that was a Harvard Law grad and said that that Harvard would push them to graduate regardless of their ability, and even setup their bar exams in easy states, just to add another lawyer to the alumni list.