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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2018, 10:17:10 PM »
Don't forget, per earlier books, ships can't go to lightspeed too close to a gravity well, which is why the Empire had ships designed to simulate gravity wells.

Wasn't it explained elsewhere that it wasn't really an inability of the hyperdrive to jump, but rather that it played such hell with the navigation systems that you'd have to disable multiple safeties, bypass computer nav and manually pilot the ship in a situation where manual piloting was so ludicrously beyond the capabilities of even a perfectly tuned in Jedi that the only possible use was a short, line of sight jump?  (i.e. point, engage, disengage before you ram something bigger than the navigational shields can handle.  Thinking about it in terms of an Earth launch, the moon is 1.3 light seconds away, so assuming you only go light speed, can miss every object over, say, a cubic meter in orbits between here and there, don't actually aim close enough to the moon to be redirected by its gravity, and don't burn up from atmospheric friction before the actual transition, you're already way past the point where you couldn't see items a thousand times bigger than you can risk hitting when you were pointing the ship.)

In other words, they're basically saying their computers can't handle the calculations fast enough, but you could try seat-of-your-pants flying, with a huge chance of catastrophic collision that increases by the nanosecond.  Assuming any meaningful sort of steering is even possible, since they mention dropping back to realspace to maneuver between hyperspace routes.

Of course, for ramming, most of the above, other than bypassing safeties, is irrelevant; center it in the windshield and mash the gas hard.

Interesting yet vague mention of an accidental hyper-ramming: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Pammant
 

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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2018, 07:18:33 AM »
I watched the Force Awakens the other evening on TV.

I came in a bit late, but what I saw was something of a hot mess and a pretty weak effort. It had its amusing moments, but overall? Meh. Better than Anakin Ben Hur and Jar Jar Binks, but still not great.
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2018, 08:57:14 AM »
I think that is what I remember.  Not as good as the original, but better than the prequels.  Also, I am not entirely sure where they are going with the storyline.  I get the impression they didn't know either so they came up with The Order and are trying to rehash the storyline of the original trilogy.  I guess the next movie will have them defeating The Order with another planet killing weapon since the recent one was their Strikes Back remake.
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2018, 09:50:49 AM »
"I get the impression they didn't know either so they came up with The Order and are trying to rehash the storyline of the original trilogy."

Bingo.

And just how in the *expletive deleted*ck did the Order get so powerful so quickly after the defeat of The Empire and re-establishment of the Republic?

Did the Republic just leave all of the Empire's toys (droids, Ti fighters, star destroyers and the like) just laying around for the taking, like one great big U-Pull-A-Part in space?

The more I think about it, the more I realize that the whole story line was an incredible mess that just didn't make any freaking sense.
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2018, 10:07:13 AM »
And where are they building all these ships?  It seems they can building them from scratch pretty quickly.
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2018, 10:27:33 AM »
And where are they building all these ships?  It seems they can building them from scratch pretty quickly.

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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2018, 10:30:08 AM »
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2018, 10:36:57 AM »
And where are they building all these ships?  It seems they can building them from scratch pretty quickly.

They rediscovered the Star Forge...

Oh, wait. That's not canon anymore.
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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2018, 01:15:11 PM »
TLJ can only be explained in one way....Rian Johnson is a lazy storyteller. Instead of trying to create a plot that fit with the trilogies and stories preceding it, he just crammed a bunch of SFX, SJW, WWII cliches, and "damaged hero" crap together. He squandered characters and story opportunities. And he didn't even bother to research SW or military history to stay consistent with how SW combat works. He made a hot mess, and he's spent months on the media circuit trying to clean it up. If you have to explain a movie after people watch it, then you've done a poor job of making it.

The only bright spot is that JJA may have to make TWO movies to fix the damage of this one.....

And, for the record, I thought Luke Skywalker was a bad teacher when the EU started having him train Jedi. I'd rather see other Jedi (Asokha, Vos, etc.) come out of the shadows to train the next generation. Luke is an action hero....he needs to stay in the fight.

I'm so looking forward to SOLO.....

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Re: The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2018, 01:56:46 PM »
I finally saw it, because the wife brought it home from the lie-berry. I couldn't remember how the last stupid movie ended, so I didn't get why the black guy was in a plastic suit. I wasn't expecting to like the movie, but I did. Enjoying Star Wars is so much easier, if you can avoid taking it seriously, and just remember that it's silly escapism. It's not a great epic, or high art. It's just amusement.

I liked Poe's tete-a-tete with Hugs.  :laugh:  I was also thinking, during the entire Snoke/Rey interview, about that light saber sitting there, just waiting to be switched on. So glad Darth Emo took my suggestion. So satisfying.

Am I the only one that noticed Fin and his girlfriend's nod of approval to Antifa and Black Lives Matter, after their little game of property destruction at the casino town?  ;/

And why did they switch from Rebel Alliance to "resistance"? Did they choose that, because of current politics?

Pretty cool that Luke was milking space-cows, and spearing space-fish. I think this is the first time, as an adult, that I've actually liked Luke Skywalker. He was no good in the other movies.
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