The Last Jedi - Spoilers Inside

[MillCreek]

The Last Jedi is the best movie in the series since 'The Empire Strikes Back' in 1980.  Mark Hamill does a fantastic job and Daisy Ridley takes up the Jedi lightsaber with style and grace.  Adam Driver is a very emo Sith.  I got chills watching Mark Hamill enter the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon and watching his reunion with R2-D2.  Amazing choreography on the lightsaber fights.



Edit by Ben to add spoiler alert as requested below.

[bedlamite]

I wasn't that impressed. Lots of eye candy, but not much of a plot. The Leia superman scene was dumb, my first thought was "That's not how the force works".  Snoke went down too easy for being the current equivalent of the emperor, and Luke's end was disappointing. The rich are evil and need to be destroyed attitude didn't belong in the movie. There were several other things that just didn't fit either.

[dm1333]

I went to be entertained and I was.  I didn't like the Mary Poppins scene, and rolled my eyes when they dropped bombs on the dreadnought (gravity works in space?) but otherwise I liked it.   

[mtnbkr]

Same complaints as Bedlamite and DM here.  I enjoyed the movie, but there were a few groaners.

I wrote off the bombing issue as the Dreadnaught having it's own gravity due to its size.  Yeah, that's weak, but otherwise, I got nothing. :|

The Leia scene irked me as well.  Had she remained in space, it would have nicely handled Fisher's death. 

Snoke's death wasn't too disappointing considering how the Emperor eventually went out.  Ren did a good job hiding his true intent from his master, but I would have preferred to see a bit more conflict first.  I'd also like to have more backstory for Snoke, so that isn't happening.

I think Ren is going to make a good "bad guy".  Yeah, the emo thing is a bit silly when compared to previous Star Wars bad guys, but it also makes him unpredictable and a touch scarier.

It wasn't perfect, but I was entertained, which is all I should expect from a movie. 

Chris

[dogmush]

Might want to put a spoiler alert in the title of this thread.


Snoke: I was meh on him at first, I think the motion capture performance in this is one of Andy Serkis's weakest.  IDK, it just seemed obviously CG. So I liked that kinda just as he was building to be an overarching bad guy of the trilogy, it was "Nope!, F That guy.)

Bombing in space.  Sigh, that really pulled me out of the first couple minutes of the movie.  Sure maybe they are magnetic, or the gravity well is just right, but geez.  I like how they set Poe up to grow past being a cocky, brash rush in and blow something up, but it was just really bad.

I enjoyed that after 2 years of youtube videos and fan theories on Rey's parents they were like: "*expletive deleted*ck those guys, they were no one." There's a lot of people in the galaxy, we can meet new ones.

I loved Yoda's scene.  Loved that they used a puppet.

Overall I really liked the movie.  It made me care about what Rey and Ren are going to do to each other in the next one, and how they'll grow.  Depending on how JJ Abrams handles 9 I could see the the 7-8-9 trilogy being better than the 4-5-6 set.

Some fans are going to be disappointing because they wanted a life changing experience, and they got a pretty good movie.

[mtnbkr]

Dogmush, I can't seem to edit the title due to the Green Bar of Death. :(

I too liked how Rey's parents turned out to be nobodies.  I agree on the final sentence.  Fanbois are going to hate, but normal folks will have an enjoyable experience.

Chris

[KD5NRH]

An I the only one that thought Snoke looked a lot like a partially melted Anthony Hopkins?

As for the bombs, presumably whatever artificial gravity was in the bomber got them started, then they continued in that direction by themselves. Or maybe something else contributed a push, like spring loaded or magnetic racks.

[MechAg94]

I agree that was the best Star Wars movie I have seen in a while.  I really like Luke in this movie.  I hope he has more than just a passing role later despite the last scene.

The bomber thing bugged me also.  How would any ship so slow and fragile ever survive even one battle and why would anyone ever get in one.  Why would any military buy one?  Even Y-wings were better.  And without any defensive guns, why would they need fly right up on top of the ship to launch bombs?  I guess it is part of the consistency of Star Wars tech along with the apparent fragility of star ships.

[dm1333]

Had a great mountain bike ride, a good cigar and some Jim Beam Bonded, now The Empire Strikes Back is on, followed by Return of the Jedi.  Pretty good day and I'm reminded again of how good the first three Star Wars episodes were.

[Scout26]

How would any ship so slow and fragile ever survive even one battle and why would anyone ever get in one.  Why would any military buy one?  .

Because the various components were manufactured on a bunch of different senators home worlds ??  And the Senate insisted the Republic buy them because Pork and Jobs.

And who was the Republic going up against ??  Unless there are some "central planets/systems" that are all pro-republic, it would appear that most of the outer/lesser worlds get pretty much left alone, as in not even a police or bureaucracy presence...

[Frank Castle]

 Star Wars was better before Disney bought it. The last two movie directed by Disney, where meh or disappointment.

j. j. Abrams is not George Lucas!

#1 first time any spaceship, in Star Wars to ran out fuel.
#2  leia floating in space
#3 The bombing in space
#4 No back story or any info on Snoke
#5 Now going to light speed can destroy other spaceship?
#6 Super Jedi with no training.
#7 SJW seen at casino.
#8 They made Kylo Ren A EMO bitch
#9 holograms  

[bedlamite]

#5 Know going to light speed can destroy other spaceship?

I'll give them this one, it's at least plausable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcX8mDRIhYE

[Andiron]

Star Wars was better before Disney bought it. The last two movie directed by Disney, where meh or disappointment.

j. j. Abrams is not George Lucas!


#8 They made Kylo Ren A EMO bitch

Darth Autism?

 

[T.O.M.]

Like all of the Star Wars movies, there are things I liked and things I didn't like.  Overall, I was entertained, and it wasn't a complete retread of some other movie.  Actually had a bit of creativity and originality. Some good effects and choreography.  I'd go see it again.

[French G.]

I went tonight, wavered between leaving early and loving it. Too many social justice add ons, the old Leia woulda figured out now to force choke that purple haired idiot long before it made admiral. The breaching cannon thing annoyed, really, we can't sacrifice nobody's anymore to save the world? But, I really liked the scenes that reached back to the older films and I will note that the small group of survivors shows us that most of the more annoying characters died. I expect to see Luke again, kinda like Luke and Obi never seem to go away. I guess the big reveal for next episode is where girl hero figures out that Master Emo is her brother. I want one of those little retarded birds now!

[KD5NRH]

#5 Now going to light speed can destroy other spaceship?

Yeah; since being the decoy was a 100% guaranteed suicide mission anyway, why didn't she do that the second the transports were out?  It's been established since ANH that lightspeed travel isn't independent of normal space, so presumably ramming at lightspeed would have been recognized as a valid kamikaze tactic all along.  Does seem like something that would have been mentioned before now, as there have certainly been desperate battles all through the franchise.

As for running out of fuel, maybe the first in the main series of movies, but it's happened in the novels and IIRC in SW Rebels.

[French G.]

Since we don't know if light speed travel can be done, can only seem plausible that it would occupy the same space. But if it were you think that some shadetree like Han Solo would have rigged some transports or escape pods to do light speed, just to be weapons. I guess that would have shortened the franchise, or at least kept the local pipefitters union busy on thirty replacement death stars.

[KD5NRH]

Since we don't know if light speed travel can be done, can only seem plausible that it would occupy the same space. But if it were you think that some shadetree like Han Solo would have rigged some transports or escape pods to do light speed, just to be weapons. I guess that would have shortened the franchise, or at least kept the local pipefitters union busy on thirty replacement death stars.

One theory that's been kicked around is that shields might be particularly effective against some property of a ship at lightspeed.  (Possibly a helpful side effect of shields having to be good enough to keep the ship from being shredded by every stray asteroid while travelling at lightspeed.)  i.e. a ship of less than a certain percentage of the size of the target ship would just splat against the target's shields.  Meaning that it would take a heck of a big ship to wipe out a star destroyer, and you'd have to hijack a star destroyer to have a big enough mass to get through a death star.  Makes sense, as that cruiser was fairly large and more or less just cut a tunnel its own size, in spite of the massive energy that would have to come off of a FTL impact.

EDIT: looked up specs.
MC85 Star Cruiser
 3,438m length
 707m width
 462m height

Mega-Class Siege Dreadnought
 13,240m length
 60,543m width
 3,975m height

So yeah, it's basically a relatively small bullet at insane velocity.  OTOH, much larger than any random bit of space junk you'd normally worry about not detecting in time.

[mtnbkr]

Don't forget, per earlier books, ships can't go to lightspeed too close to a gravity well, which is why the Empire had ships designed to simulate gravity wells.  I forget their name, but I do recall plots requiring those ships to be shut down or destroyed so the good guys could escape.  This phenomenon also probably prevents using other ships as kinetic weapons.

Chris

[French G.]

And I guess I read too much Terminal Lance. Fin, who is the Booty McBootface of Stormtroopers takes on what must be like the Sergeant Major of the entire galaxy. And wins?

[mtnbkr]

I think he's very lucky over and over again.  I was unhappy that Phasma died.  She was an interesting bad guy.

Chris

[Jamisjockey]

1) it was a movie
2) I watched it from a giant comfy reclined movie theatre seat
3) I enjoyed it for what it was, sci fi star wars movie.

[bedlamite]

I think he's very lucky over and over again.  I was unhappy that Phasma died.  She was an interesting bad guy.

Chris

Probably died just as much as when she was in a trash compactor when starkiller base blew up, and will be back in the next movie to go down after another two minutes of screen time.

[MikeB]

Too much emo, not just from Kylo. And really Luke was pretty emo and whiny in the original series. So was Anikin; maybe it’s a Skywalker thing on the supposedly male side. Also I just don’t like that actor that plays Kylo, he seems like a child throwing a temper tantrum vs. an actual scary bad guy.

They could have at least given us something on who Snoke really was. Maybe in another movie; but they could have cut 20 minutes of characters spent staring into space in this one and spent 5 minutes on more backstory.

The Rey parents thing I don’t buy. Not because she needs to be related to someone necessarily; but because it creates an inconsistency with the Maz and lightsaber scene in The Force Awakens at least what I took from that scene.

When I first left the theater I was thinking like 8 out of 10. After thinking about it for a few days I’m actually down to a 6.5 or 7 out of 10. I don’t hate it, but it could have been a lot better.

And to add a little thread drift, I think I have hearing damage from the volume in the theater especially during the previews, my ears were ringing for two days. I complained to someone during the previews and I couldn’t have been the only one since the lady said she already radioed someone; then tried to tell me the volume was normal. You could clearly hear the audio of the previews around 4 corners and about two bundled feet away in the lobby.

[mtnbkr]

I just don’t like that actor that plays Kylo, he seems like a child throwing a temper tantrum vs. an actual scary bad guy.

I didn't like that aspect at first, but then it dawned on me that impulsiveness and anger makes him a bit scarier because he's less likely to be logical and consistent like Vader.  The lack of "maturity" makes him more dangerous IMO.

Chris