Porn as a public health crisis

[MillCreek]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-world/2018/02/18/in-utah-the-fight-against-porn-is-increasingly-being-framed-as-a-public-health-crisis/

No doubt to be followed by the guns as a public health crisis and video game violence as a public health crisis, as is already happening in some places.

[BryanP]

They need extra porn in Utah to distract themselves from the depressing fact that they live in Utah.

[Jamisjockey]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-world/2018/02/18/in-utah-the-fight-against-porn-is-increasingly-being-framed-as-a-public-health-crisis/

No doubt to be followed by the guns as a public health crisis and video game violence as a public health crisis, as is already happening in some places.

As much as the left is authoritarian, the Right has its authoritarian side as well.  Both sides want to tell us what to do for our own good, and for the children of course.
And topic moved to pol.

[dogmush]

I want to scoff, as this is pretty clearly yet another attempt to legislate someone's religious beliefs on other people. Not only is "porn as a 1A issue" pretty settled law things like this statement from the article: "this biological addiction leads to increasing themes of risky sexual behaviors, extreme degradation, violence" is kinda meaningless.  One persons "extreme degradation and violence" is another's epic Friday night.* Add to that the fact that legislating morality never ends well and this seems easy to dismiss.

That said there are some very real problems with the sex industry and porn vis-a-vis human trafficking and exploration.  Mostly offshore, but not always.  And the whole "Revenge Porn" thing is some slimy ahole *expletive deleted*it to do.  So I can't just say "1A, there's no problem here."


*As is the case in most things sexual, informed consent of adults is the key here.

[BryanP]

As much as the left is authoritarian, the Right has its authoritarian side as well. 

The right is every bit as authoritarian as the left.  Just on different subjects.

[Perd Hapley]

...legislating morality never ends well...

Like that time we outlawed stealing.

The right is every bit as authoritarian as the left.  Just on different subjects.

"As authoritarian as the left" is an awfully high bar, these days. It's hard to believe the right could live up to that.

[BryanP]

Like that time we outlawed stealing.

That's legislating "not hurting other people."

You don't outlaw something for what it is, you outlaw behavior that hurts others. You know, kind of like not outlawing guns because someone out there will misuse them.

I'm not really a connoisseur of the subject, but if porn is made by people who are all their voluntarily and the person consuming it isn't harming someone else by viewing it, I don't see a problem.  An adult watching stuff done voluntarily by other adults is ok.  Someone watching kids or "revenge porn" isn't.  

[dogmush]

Like that time we outlawed stealing.

So......stealing and watching porn are not remotely the same thing.  One directly injures another person.  I was more refering to that time we outlawed smoking pot, or the time we outlawed drinking, or when we outlawed who you could have sex with, or when we legislated what kind of sex you could have, or that one time (looking at you Utah) we legislated how many wives one could have.  Stuff like that.

And let me head you off at the pass:  Abortion and watching porn aren't in the same category, or even conversation.  My thoughts on "legislating morality" when it comes to vices don't necessarily transfer to that topic, and I don't wish to discuss it.

[Perd Hapley]

And let me head you off at the pass:  Abortion and watching porn aren't in the same category, or even conversation.  My thoughts on "legislating morality" when it comes to vices don't necessarily transfer to that topic, and I don't wish to discuss it.

 

I'm just pointing out that all laws impose morality on people, just like all issues are social issues.

[brimic]

‘Porn czar’ not to be confused with ‘porn star.’

[Pb]

Fistful is correct. All laws of any type are legislating morality.  You can argue whether a law particular laws are good or bad, but condemning a proposed law as "legislating morality" makes no sense.

A law mandating paying taxes, punishing thieves or protecting copyrights are all laws based on morals... by the simple definition of morality:

mo·ral·i·ty
məˈralədē/Submit
noun
noun: morality
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
synonyms:   ethics, rights and wrongs, ethicality More
a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
plural noun: moralities
"a bourgeois morality"
the extent to which an action is right or wrong.
"behind all the arguments lies the issue of the morality of the possession of nuclear weapons"

[MechAg94]

I have to agree with fistful on his second point.  The left has been taking "authoritarian" to new heights (for this country) in the last few years.  They have been accusing R's of being fascist quite a bit lately, but they have always accused the other side of what they themselves are doing.  

[BryanP]

Since the subject of the thread was people trying to outlaw porn, I think it was reasonable of me to think that was what Fistful was referring too.  But that's okay, my strawman can go hang out under his moving goalposts.  Y'all have fun.

[lupinus]

Someone needs to hack their conference with a slideshow from fetlifes k&p page. Having a collective aneurysm should do the trick of curing this nonsense.

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[makattak]

I think the prevalence and ubiquity of porn is detrimental to our society. (And all others.)

I don't think the government is the means to handle the issue, though.

The crusaders against "demon rum" were quite right that alcoholism is associated with a myriad of evils. (They believed "caused." While I'm not sure it is the cause (or the sole cause), I, at least, can't argue with correlation.)

Prohibition was monumentally destructive and did nothing to fight the associated evils. The same will come from attempting to use the government to ban porn.

So, what's the solution? The only answer I have is a return to God and the Church by our society.

That won't (CAN'T) be done by the government (it's been tried).

[Perd Hapley]

Since the subject of the thread was people trying to outlaw porn, I think it was reasonable of me to think that was what Fistful was referring too.

Huh?

FWIW, I was not throwing in my support behind any kind of porn ban.* I do find that we've gotten very confused in our politics by trying to identify only certain things as moral or social issues. Every political topic has its moral/social component, or no one would much care about it.

Porn is not good, but government prohibition of it doesn't seem to be very good, either.


*Really, porn is already banned in most states, since it amounts to prostitution. But that's none of Kermit the Frog's business.

[Jamisjockey]

Porn is not good,

I'm sure if you look harder you could find better porn out there.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Someone needs to hack their conference with a slideshow from fetlifes k&p page. Having a collective aneurysm should do the trick of curing this nonsense.

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"What's near and dear to my heart is protecting children from something that is already illegal to view," Weiler said of his legislative record.

I've never understood the need to "protect" children from seeing this kind of stuff. If the kid is old enough to figure out how to find it, than they know enough too know it's there and what it is. And if they are old enough to know that, then they are past the point were the parents should have had at least one or two rounds of "The Talk".
And one would think "The Talk" would include whatever brand of opinion you hold dear on the subject (Like, for Morman's, Porn is BAD) and, if your Talk is successfully delivered, your kid will go with your brand of opinion.

The only reason I can think of for needing to "protect" your children from such things is just flat out bad parenting and some delusion that your child doesn't have body parts, will never grow up and will live forever in a cave.

[Jamisjockey]

Story time:
Living in Utah, one of my co-workers bought a house when he newly moved into the state.
The neighbors were telling him what a great guy Bishop So-And-So was.
As they settled in, AJ found a medium sized box under the stairs stuffed with porn.  And it wasn't run of the mill porn.  Lots of BDSM and minority themed porn.
My suggestion was to drop it at the church and tell the new Bishop that so-and-so forgot it when he moved out...


My personal experiences with Utah leave me a bit jaded. 
I will leave this here
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn-subscriptions-report-says.html

[MillCreek]

I hesitate to ask, and I am certainly not going to Google it, but what is 'fetlife k and p'?

[Jamisjockey]

I hesitate to ask, and I am certainly not going to Google it, but what is 'fetlife k and p'?

Probably something that's been viewed in Utah plenty already...

[BlueStarLizzard]

I hesitate to ask, and I am certainly not going to Google it, but what is 'fetlife k and p'?

Fetlife is a forum dedicated to fetishes. BDSM, furries... pretty much anything and everything not vanilla under the sun. K&P is the "Kinky & Popular" section and is basically just a page full of pictures, writings and videos that people have "liked".

[zxcvbob]

Fetlife is a forum dedicated to fetishes. BDSM, furries... pretty much anything and everything not vanilla under the sun. K&P is the "Kinky & Popular" section and is basically just a page full of pictures, writings and videos that people have "liked".

Thanks, then I guessed right about "fetlife" :)  But I had no clue about K&P and didn't wanna search for it.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Thanks, then I guessed right about "fetlife" :)  But I had no clue about K&P and didn't wanna search for it.

Meh. It sounds a lot more exciting than it really is. Mostly just boobies. 

[Perd Hapley]

I'm sure if you look harder you could find better porn out there.

OK, I'll take a look. Purely for research purposes, of course.