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Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« on: February 20, 2018, 10:15:48 AM »
The day of the shooting, I saw a police official stating during a press conference that there had been a "police presence" at the Parkland school, as well as all other schools in the district.

By day 2 - nothing. Nada. NO more mention of police at the school.

Any idea what happened?

WAS there an officer or two present? Who was it? Why don't we hear from them? If they were assigned to the school - where were they and what did they do with an active shooter?



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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 03:06:47 PM »
The school had a school resource officer assigned to it. Reports immediately after the incident said he was on duty, but in a different building of the campus.

Unless it was his day off, or he had been called away from the school to some other incident.

And then ... crickets.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 04:25:36 PM »
Let's be glad they're not 24/7 pointing out that "an armed man with a gun" didn't make any difference.  ;/
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 06:45:32 PM »
Let's be glad they're not 24/7 pointing out that "an armed man with a gun" didn't make any difference.  ;/


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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 05:05:43 AM »

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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 07:01:05 PM »
Looks like we have an answer . . .

https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns

* Cop (actually, a Broward County Sheriff's Deputy) named Scott Peterson was in uniform, on duty, armed, and on site.

* He stood around outside, doing nothing, while the shooting was going on.

* Sheriff suspended Peterson, who responding by resigning.

Another officer behaving in the finest tradition of the cowardly cops of Columbine. But at least HE got to go home that night . . . though 17 others he was charged with protecting didn't.

And he's still eligible for his pension. :mad:
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 08:18:12 PM »
The most important thing is that he went home that night....

This is one reason I personally get annoyed about acting like every cop is a hero. I would bet most aren’t.

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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2018, 08:36:50 PM »
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2018, 09:17:26 PM »
When I was in LE in the 60's I did not work with any officer who would not have went into that building and engaged that shooter.  Not one officer!!!
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 10:20:32 PM »
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Here’s what people don’t understand.  When the county policy is intentionally constructed to ignore criminal behavior in schools, the Sheriff and School superintendent cannot rely on “law and order-minded” SRO’s to carry out the corrupt policy.

The SRO must carry a political hat and be able to intercept behavior, modify the action based on a specific policy, falsify documents, manipulate records etc, and engage in the system with an understanding of the unwritten goals.  SRO’s are given political instructions NOT, I repeat, NOT given instructions to uphold laws and regulations.

The School Officers are the primary foot soldiers carrying out political policy.  Engaging an active shooter on campus is the furthest thing from their skill-set you could imagine.
Security of school students is just not their role.  The Broward County SRO is in place to protect the School System “policy”.

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/22/broward-coward-armed-county-sheriff-cowered-outside-building-refused-to-confront-parkland-school-shooter/#more-146160

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/#more-146176
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2018, 06:02:00 AM »
But let us not forget that Deputy Peterson was SRO of the Year in 2014.

And I think I have misjudged Sheriff Israel. It appears that he has had significant military training. What is it that our high-speed, low-drag operators are taught about being captured by the enemy? "Escape and evade."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html

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When asked about what law enforcement agencies entered the building first, and at what time, Israel said that it "doesn't matter who went in first" or "what order you went in."

Translation: "Not my guys."
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 06:36:06 AM »
Appears maybe some folks aren’t happy with Deputy Peterson. Story never lets on as to why the guards.

Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who ‘never went in’ during shooting: reporthttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html


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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2018, 08:31:56 AM »
I wonder why Deputy Peterson never went in to the school.  Was he scared?  Was he following orders/policy?  Was he just riding out his last few days until he can retire and get his pension?

The police guarding Peterson’s house might not make a difference.  Peterson might kill himself.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2018, 08:35:11 AM »
Well as usual I am torn between despising the responding officer who didn't go in and despising all the ones who showed up later to no real threat in their perfectly donned tactical kit. But.... Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2018, 09:55:46 AM »
I have a deep conviction that no one else, none of those in any kind of authority, is very interested or motivated to defend me.  I acquired from my experience of junior high and high school (7th to 10th grade, one third of my life by the time I got past it).  

I don't think I'm wrong.

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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2018, 10:06:43 AM »
But let us not forget that Deputy Peterson was SRO of the Year in 2014.

And I think I have misjudged Sheriff Israel. It appears that he has had significant military training. What is it that our high-speed, low-drag operators are taught about being captured by the enemy? "Escape and evade."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html

Translation: "Not my guys."
I heard that discussed on the radio this morning.  Makes you wonder if the local department/officer knew about the shooter as a problem before this, but took no action. 

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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2018, 10:09:46 AM »
Well as usual I am torn between despising the responding officer who didn't go in and despising all the ones who showed up later to no real threat in their perfectly donned tactical kit. But.... Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.
I would also like to hear the radio traffic or transcripts.  What did he report and did he receive orders to do what he did or conflicting information from someone watching a delayed video feed?

Lots of dirty stuff going on here.  I think this as much as anything else really underscores that there were lots of contributing factors to this tragedy far beyond the gun.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2018, 10:30:09 AM »
Lots of dirty stuff going on here.  I think this as much as anything else really underscores that there were lots of contributing factors to this tragedy far beyond the gun.

Yup. I still don't trust this Sheriff, especially after he did his "NRA's fault" deflection during the CNN so-called "town hall". I'm trying to be careful to not be the same as the masses that are screaming for gun owners' heads. I'll fully blame the deputy after, not before, all the information is out there.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 11:03:24 AM »
Yup. I still don't trust this Sheriff, especially after he did his "NRA's fault" deflection during the CNN so-called "town hall". I'm trying to be careful to not be the same as the masses that are screaming for gun owners' heads. I'll fully blame the deputy after, not before, all the information is out there.
Yeah, that report brings up all sorts of questions.  Did the shooter have an unreported criminal history (that may have put him on the felon list?)?  Did other kids do anything to him?  Who knows what else. 

With all that, I can certainly see why they would want to deflect media attention onto the gun.  Just a bunch of political rats running for cover.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2018, 11:48:18 AM »
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2018, 11:55:03 AM »
This does not surprise me one bit

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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2018, 12:04:57 PM »
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2018, 12:06:14 PM »
Before I can solely blame Peterson it would be interesting to know what training his department had on active shooters. If his training was to set a perimeter and wait then we have a grandstanding sheriff and a scapegoat.

Setting up a perimeter stopped being the protocol right after Columbine. That may have been Deputy Peterson's protocol but it wasn't his department's protocol. That's why he was suspended.
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Re: Parkland, Florida - "Police Presence?"
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 12:17:01 PM »


Classic, as it closely follows their attack on Trump's "notes".
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