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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2018, 09:56:10 AM »
The end of 27L is well to the west of 27R, and she parked in the taxiway, almost into the ramp to/from the deicing pad. 27R should have been clear, but they shut down the airport for three hours. Anybody know why they couldn't have kept flying on 27R?

Maybe PHL didn't want departing aircraft to fly over the disable aircraft and emergency responders. 
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2018, 10:34:07 AM »
I reckon.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2018, 11:58:06 AM »
Another issue is resources.   Depending on the resources being used to handle an emergency, there might not be enough available for subsequent emergencies. This was an issue more than once when I was in the Marines, during exercises having more than one emergency in progress and tapping the ARFF capabilities out.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2018, 12:22:14 PM »
Another issue is resources.   Depending on the resources being used to handle an emergency, there might not be enough available for subsequent emergencies. This was an issue more than once when I was in the Marines, during exercises having more than one emergency in progress and tapping the ARFF capabilities out.

True. From the satellite images it appears the on-site fire department facility is fairly small. That said, the recordings of radio traffic indicated that the tower initially told other planes to shut down (presumably wherever they sat) and that there would be a 15 minute hold. That eventually became something like three hours. They had any small fire(s) contained long before that, and people were off the plane probably within the first ten or fifteen minutes. They certainly could have returned all the fire trucks (or maybe all but one) to the station and let the airport start operating again. Maybe take-offs on 27L and landings on 27R?

I'm sure someone made a decision to "err on the side of safety," but it is puzzling.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2018, 02:08:40 PM »
True. From the satellite images it appears the on-site fire department facility is fairly small. That said, the recordings of radio traffic indicated that the tower initially told other planes to shut down (presumably wherever they sat) and that there would be a 15 minute hold. That eventually became something like three hours. They had any small fire(s) contained long before that, and people were off the plane probably within the first ten or fifteen minutes. They certainly could have returned all the fire trucks (or maybe all but one) to the station and let the airport start operating again. Maybe take-offs on 27L and landings on 27R?

I'm sure someone made a decision to "err on the side of safety," but it is puzzling.

That long of a shut down is definitely the doing of the airport authority.  Who ever owns and manages the runway is the ultimate authority for closing it.  We can shut down surfaces temporarily because of incidents but the airport quickly makes the determination if it's an actual closure or not.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2018, 11:13:42 AM »
Here is another piece to the puzzle:  https://www.journal-news.com/business/faa-likely-require-inspections-cfm-engines/nPFxrsBjHGpF2BHQMEpubO/?ecmp=journalnews_social_facebook_2014_sfp

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The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday evening it will require inspections of aircraft engines made by a Butler County company involved in the emergency that killed at least one passenger on Southwest Flight 1380.

"At least one passenger?"  OK, in the strictest sense, "exactly one" does fall within the bounds of "at least one," but WTF?

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2018, 12:27:36 PM »
Maybe they expect more to suscumb.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2018, 01:12:23 PM »
Maybe they expect more to suscumb.

Did I miss something?  Aside from Riordan, I thought the worst any passengers had was a few minor bruises and scrapes.

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2018, 01:44:04 PM »
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2018, 08:34:48 PM »
Here is another piece to the puzzle:  https://www.journal-news.com/business/faa-likely-require-inspections-cfm-engines/nPFxrsBjHGpF2BHQMEpubO/?ecmp=journalnews_social_facebook_2014_sfp

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“I’m very concerned about this particular event,” NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said at a press briefing Wednesday.

Sumwalt also said the widely used CFM engine has a solid safety record and it was too early to determine if the accident pointed to a broader hazard for travelers, the Journal reported.

Whatever happened to the old "Out of an abundance of caution" schtick they use when going after lawful gun owners when some nutcase shoots up a school? This is the second explosion of this type of engine, on this type of aircraft, operated by this particular airline, within two years. They got lucky with the first one. This time one person died. How many deaths will be necessary before we progress to recognizing a hazard?
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2018, 09:25:36 PM »
Other than the need to get folks down to a better breathing altitude RFN, a window-sized hole shouldn't make a lot of difference to the pilot.  Losing an engine is pretty heavily covered in multi-engine training, and I'd assume each stage of training thereafter.  Plus, I suspect a 737 would have to be on the verge of coming apart at every seam before it could get as sporty as a F-18 would be in normal flight.

Wasn't there one of these passenger jets that had a huge section of it's roof rip off and still remain flying?
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2018, 09:27:37 PM »
Great.

Whatever happened to the old "Out of an abundance of caution" schtick they use when going after lawful gun owners when some nutcase shoots up a school? This is the second explosion of this type of engine, on this type of aircraft, operated by this particular airline, within two years. They got lucky with the first one. This time one person died. How many deaths will be necessary before we progress to recognizing a hazard?

It's a matter of scale. The amount of successful, problem free hours on this engine is staggering, both with and without considering a single airline.
And there WILL be an inspection requirement, so it's not like theyre doing nothing. Until a metallurgical analysis indicates why the thing failed, there's no benefit to pulling them all or stopping their flights. So, if the ultrasonic inspections of the rest of the fleet reveal a systemic problem, that'll allow them to narrow it down even more. Potentially to the foundry that made the metal.

They don't know what happened yet. It could have been a piece of loose sheet metal patching on something else that got sucked into it. there's a million probable causes.

There's so much documentation on these engines , the origin of every piece is known. With only two engines failing, they have to narrow it down more before they'll be able to say "all engines from XYZ factory with blades produced between XYZ and XYZ, with aluminum from ABC Corporation, need new fans asap"

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #88 on: April 24, 2018, 10:55:54 PM »
Wasn't there one of these passenger jets that had a huge section of it's roof rip off and still remain flying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2018, 10:59:35 PM »
Wasn't there one of these passenger jets that had a huge section of it's roof rip off and still remain flying?

Aloha Airlines. I believe that was also a 737, but a much earlier model.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243



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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2018, 12:27:42 AM »
Sunroof!
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2018, 12:43:40 AM »
I also remember back in the late 80's early 90's there were a few 737-200 type that lost a motor, not just quit working but falling completely off of the aircraft. That would raise the pucker factor a bit. ;)

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« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2018, 12:53:11 AM »
Those planes, with the right pilot, can fly with an amazing amount of damage.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2018, 01:25:57 AM »

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« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2018, 06:00:34 AM »
Thanks, Hawkmoon.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=57219.msg1159345#msg1159345

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I noticed that as soon as I hit "post." You only beat me because I looked up a photo.  :laugh:
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2018, 09:29:07 AM »
Sunroof!
What a concept!

Though the wind is a biotch.
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2018, 01:10:20 PM »
Though the wind is a biotch.

But it's worth it for that view!  :facepalm:
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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2018, 01:24:02 PM »
I also remember back in the late 80's early 90's there were a few 737-200 type that lost a motor, not just quit working but falling completely off of the aircraft. That would raise the pucker factor a bit. ;)

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2018, 02:07:07 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/05/us/jet-lands-after-an-engine-drops-off.html

Ain't that a pisser?

I recall seeing a newspaper pic of an engine plus parts sitting on the ground still smoking but I don't remember where, and I wanted to beat Hawkmoon on this post.
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Interesting sidelights I got from somewhere or other...

"The engines on the 727 are designed to break away from the plane under extreme stress so the vibration will not damage the airplane, said Craig Martin, a Boeing spokesman. The engine is designed to separate cleanly, without damaging the airplane."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/elderly-woman-coins-jet-engine-chinese-good-luck-shanghai-guangzhou-china-southern-airlines-a7810721.html

"A flight in China was delayed for five hours after an elderly passenger threw coins into the aircraft’s engine for good luck.

The 80-year-old passenger, surnamed Qiu, was boarding the China Southern Airlines flight from Shanghai to Guangzhou with her family when she stopped to make the ‘blessings’.

Then she threw nine coins at the aircraft’s engine turbine. Concerned fellow passengers alerted airline staff."

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Re: Woman Partially Sucked Out of Jet When Window Breaks Mid-Flight
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2018, 04:04:48 PM »
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