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Failure to launch on steroids
« on: May 23, 2018, 09:14:29 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/23/man-30-evicted-from-parents-home-talks-about-custody-battle-for-son-that-led-to-strained-family-relationship.html

Ideally, there will be news footage of the local sheriff eviction unit frog-marching him out of the house.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2018, 11:02:41 AM »
What are the odds he's really, like seriously, into My Little Pony?
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 01:12:59 PM »
30 years old.  I wonder which parent was the enabler and allowed him to stay that long.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 01:28:21 PM »
30 years old.  I wonder which parent was the enabler and allowed him to stay that long.

30 years old and has a child, and is unable unwilling to take responsibility even for himself, let alone be a father.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 05:08:22 PM »
30 years old and has a child, and is unable unwilling to take responsibility even for himself, let alone be a father.

Missed this aspect when I saw this on the news. Wonder if he has a support order, and how he's paying while blissfully unemployed.  Bet he has a kick-ass gaming set up.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 06:23:19 PM »
What would he have done if he had gotten custody -- brought the child into the parents' home and expected them to take care of it? Prolly ...
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 06:52:20 PM »
You know...

I get a little touchy about these stories about being in one's 30's and still living with a parent, since I'm in my 30's and still live with a parent...

But then I read them and realize that at least I function like an adult in the household and not a child...  :O

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 08:31:22 PM »
You know...

I get a little touchy about these stories about being in one's 30's and still living with a parent, since I'm in my 30's and still live with a parent...

But then I read them and realize that at least I function like an adult in the household and not a child...  :O



Yeah, huge difference between living as an adult with a parent where you have a life/job/etc. and you both choose that, versus the neckbeard living in mommy and daddy's basement, working a gig at GameStop, spending your off hours online gaming.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 08:41:01 PM »
I was expecting a euphemism or something. Still entertaining, if a bit rage inducing.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 02:22:13 AM »
Did anyone else see the CNN interview? "I'm not a millennial. I'm a conservative."  :facepalm:

I don't know if he'll ever get a job, with those interview skills, but I bet if he chopped off all the hair, no one would recognize him.

Or, he could put together a reality show about millennial squatters who get an apartment together. I would not-watch that as much as I not-watch the rest of them.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 01:31:08 PM »
The guy has a serious disconnect with reality. The judge ruled he has to get out immediately -- and he's saying he should be allowed "like" 30 days to vacate.

Oh, and HE's outraged. I suspect his parents haven't been exactly thrilled for the past several years, and I dobt the judge is ecstatic over the guy's attitude.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2018, 02:12:20 PM »
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and I dobt the judge is ecstatic over the guy's attitude.

I saw a bit of the courtroom video, I was especially impressed with how he was preening and stroking his locks while standing there. I am sure that really played well in the Judge's mind. :)

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2018, 10:05:19 PM »
The guy has a serious disconnect with reality. The judge ruled he has to get out immediately -- and he's saying he should be allowed "like" 30 days to vacate.

30 days isn't that uncommon regardless of the situation, but AFAIK, it's from the time of the initial notice.  I don't know how NY courts work, but around here, before something gets ruled on by a State Supreme Court Justice, it's been dragging through lower courts a lot longer than that.

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A 30-year-old man who was ordered by a judge to vacate his parents’ New York home after living rent-free for nearly a decade said Tuesday his bitter custody battle for his son led to his strained relationship with his mother and father.

Well, at 30, "nearly a decade" suggests that something else was going on from ~18-21.  Was he paying rent to them, going to school elsewhere or did he maybe live on his own for a bit, knock something up, and then use the "I want my son" pity party as an excuse to move back in?

http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/05/24/who-is-michael-rotondo-sued-by-parents-evicted/

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He refuses to leave his parents’ home. Despite being 30, Michael Rotondo still lives with his parents — and won’t leave. Michael moved out for a brief time in his early 20s, but moved back in with dear old mom and dad after losing his job. His parents want him out for good, because he’s been there for eight years, never got another job, and doesn’t even do chores. He doesn’t pay rent or contribute to any household expenses. His broken down Volkswagen Passat has never been fixed, but instead just sits on “ramps” in their driveway. It’s gotten to the point that they just want him to move out and grow up.

Now I did move back in with my parents for a bit over a year around 20, and went to school for most of that, but actually got a decent job and was in the process of getting an apartment between semesters, so I was out again pretty quickly once I decided against finishing at DeVry.  Given the opportunity, I might do something similar again, though I know a few folks who live 3-6 blocks from the local campus that would likely let me couch surf cheap enough if I was back in school. 

I'm guessing the parents are also feeding him, so he really has no necessary expenses.  In 8 years, he could have had a small paper route on a bicycle and saved up a few thousand.  That's over 400 weeks; at even $50/week, he would have picked up $20k.  That will buy a (crappy, but livable) house outright in some places.

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His parents sued him for eviction. A judge at New York’s Onondaga County Supreme Court ruled on May 22 that Michael must leave his parents’ home after Mark and Christina Rotondo sued him. The Rotondos have been trying to get him out of the house since October 2017, according to a series of notes included in the court filing. The first note came from his father on February 2. It read: “After a discussion with your Mother, we have decided you must leave this house immediately. You have 14 days to vacate. You will not be allowed to return. We will take whatever actions are necessary to enforce this decision.”

Ok, so trying since October.  About 6 years and change too late, IMO, but more than the 90 days the other article suggested.  Then again, Fox says the original court case was in September, though maybe that allowed some options, like meeting certain criteria to avoid eviction.

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Michael claims that his parents are allegedly retaliating for not allowing them to see his child before he lost custody in September 2017. It’s unclear how old his son is, but he told The New York Post that he became a father during the brief time when he didn’t live at home. He also said that he’s currently in a custody battle with his son’s mother, and that his parents’ demands for him to get a job have allegedly threatened his ability to waive court fees

SMH.  Unless the mother is actively running a drug-and-escort service with the kid present, any judge preferring a total deadbeat idiot - who's determined to stay that way - for custody needs to be tarred and feathered. 

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Michael’s suing Best Buy for wrongful termination, claiming they fired him for refusing to work on Saturdays.

Uh, so he got canned from a crap job 8 years ago, hasn't had one since, and he's still in the process of suing them for something I personally know full well was clearly spelled out in the application last time I lived near one?  (Granted, about 6-7 years before he worked there, but I doubt they changed that part.)

Now, it says they offered him $1100 to go away, which I'll concede isn't enough for deposit, first month and utility deposits on even a crappy apartment, but if he had any friends, finding one to couch surf with for a couple months at $75-100/week shouldn't be that hard.  Realistically, he's been on notice since September, so plenty of time to find some sort of job and save up a bit, plus they almost certainly would have held off the current action a bit if he'd shown that much indication of wanting to make some progress.  I mean, damn; I could be working the counter at the quick stop down the street by Monday.   Part time, but it's still steady income and somewhat flexible hours.  I might be there soon anyway; the shop isn't making anywhere near enough to set aside rent for winter, and barring some minor miracle, the owner will likely start packing it in middle of next month.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 10:32:07 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/23/30-something-and-still-living-at-home-youve-got-lots-and-lots-of-company
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According to the U.S. Census Bureau, as of 2017, nearly one in five men ages 25 to 34 lived in their parents' home. That's a significantly higher share than the 12.5 percent of women that age living at home. Both numbers have increased dramatically in recent decades, roughly doubling since 1960.
In raw-number terms, there are 4.3 million men and 2.8 million women ages 25 to 34 living with their parents, for a total of 7.1 million still living at home. That population is approximately the size of the entire adult and child population of Arizona.

Now I do have to wonder if that accounts for cases where one has moved back in with parents to help them out, and is the primary earner for the household, and/or the ones who are actually mentally or physically disabled, but I also have a nagging fear that those numbers are insignificant overall.

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The employment situation is another major factor. “The share of young men with jobs peaked around 1960 at 84%," according to Pew. “In 2014, only 71% of 18- to 34-year-old men were employed.” Partly as a result, median annual wages for young men plummeted over that period, from $27,300 (measured in 2013 dollars) in 1970 to around $15,000 in 2014.

Presumably, those actively enrolled in college full time are either disregarded entirely or counted as employed.  71% employed.  29% not employed at all.  Not underemployed.  Not working the crab boats for a quarter and taking the rest of the year off.  Not happily retired after selling the company they started at 15 for a couple billion.  Almost 1 in 3 not doing anything useful to society at all, and living entirely off someone else. 

I don't recall a time when there really weren't any jobs to be had at all.  Lots suck some.  Some suck lots.  Certainly some I'm not physically able to do, and others I can't afford to get qualified for, but a lot of these males' (I refuse to refer to them as men) parents would gladly fork up the cash for a tech school or other certification course just to get them out of the house.  Heck, with what some of them have managed to come up with (often through lying to the parents footing their bills) for car payments, car customization and video games, I could manage two entirely different and reliably profitable qualifications by the end of the year.  One that comes to mind has enough invested in his game system to pay off my existing student loan debt and almost cover a full semester's expenses while I wait for the paperwork to go through on a new loan.  He even has a fairly good skill set, (electronics tech, military background - yeah, it's radar and HF comms, but that translates to a lot of other electronics with minimal added training as long as the theory knowledge is good) but hasn't had a job in over a year.


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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 10:36:47 PM »
I just read another article in which he was reported to have said (after the verdict) that he still thinks he should have six months to "make arrangements" to move out. IIRC, the judge said "immediately," which does not translate into six months, or even 30 days. I don't think it matters whether or not $1100 is enough for him to find other accommodations. Go to a Walmart and buy a tent. He has no legal right to be in his parents' home. "out" means "out." He is an adult (legally, at least.) He is no longer the parents' responsibility.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 01:10:03 AM »
I just read another article in which he was reported to have said (after the verdict) that he still thinks he should have six months to "make arrangements" to move out. IIRC, the judge said "immediately," which does not translate into six months, or even 30 days.

If I'm reading it right, he has until June 2.  Next Saturday.  I don't know what the public land situation there is, or if there are any shelters nearby, but I'd honestly be surprised if no one's offered him some suitably undesirable accommodation (I'm thinking disused travel trailer on a back lot with a generator he'll have to fuel himself and a well that reeks of eggs) for free or nearly so, given the publicity.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2018, 09:36:08 AM »
I suspect he won't have to worry too much about future accommodations.  My prediction is that next Sat we will read about his arrest for resisting the Deputy that shows up to remove him.

None of this guy's quotes or interviews make me think that the court ruling will be the thing that finally wakes him up.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2018, 10:37:59 AM »
Parents should have had the locks changed when they were in court - if the verdict went their way (it did, judge said he had to leave "immediately") they just wouldn't give him a key.

Problem solved.

Had they lost, they could avoid a contempt citation by giving their little boy a new key.
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2018, 01:09:05 PM »
Really irked when he whined about how living on his own would really hurt his custody battle in his ability to waive court fees; ignore what the effect must be on child support.  How DARE they interfere with his gaming of the system.  It really does make my mind itch about where the line is for personality issue to mental illness; cause that boy ain't functional.  He seems the embodiment of every negative stereotype for entitlement. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2018, 01:21:42 PM »
Really irked when he whined about how living on his own would really hurt his custody battle in his ability to waive court fees; ignore what the effect must be on child support.

And it's not exactly rocket surgery to figure out how to maintain indigent status while having some income.  Assuming the county uses the state guidelines for NY, he could be making $400 a week and still qualify.  I don't know whether child support counts on their calculation, but some states will deduct the full amount of any wage garnishment from a person's income for the purpose of calculating benefits eligibility.

I'd really like to hear the exact reasons given for revoking his visitation rights, as that would likely clarify some of what's going on with the *expletive deleted*bag.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2018, 03:23:33 PM »
Looks like the guy has received a job offer:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pizzeria-chain-villa-italian-kitchen-offers-job-to-30-year-old-michael-rotondo-evicted-by-parents/

Odds on whether he accepts?  Or if he does accept, how long before he quits or is fired?
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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2018, 06:49:46 PM »
Looks like the guy has received a job offer:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pizzeria-chain-villa-italian-kitchen-offers-job-to-30-year-old-michael-rotondo-evicted-by-parents/

Odds on whether he accepts?  Or if he does accept, how long before he quits or is fired?

I'd bet the manager will be under orders to cut him an insane amount of slack for the first few weeks as long as he doesn't burn the place down or commit any major crimes on the clock, and if he makes it through that, he'll quit within 90 days over some perceived slight.

Hell, I'd bet that if he took their $1101 "signing bonus" offer, gave his parents a couple hundred and offered them a hundred a week for his room, they'd go back and request the eviction order be conditionally revoked as long as he keeps paying, or some such.

I doubt he'd actually do anything that smart, though.

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Re: Failure to launch on steroids
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2018, 05:50:32 PM »

He left uneventfully.  Although the police did have to be called regarding some missing Legos.


I thought you were sarcastic. Legos? Really?  ;/

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2018, 06:48:19 PM »
His kid's Legos. The issue was he wanted to get them, the dad was more of a mind to retrieve them while the son was kept out of the house. Had to jumpstart his VW to leave.
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