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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 12:05:29 AM »
He's the real victim, you know.  [barf]
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 02:52:47 AM »
The Coward of Broward is trying to spin the story his way:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/it-was-my-job-and-i-didnt-find-him-stoneman-douglas-resource-officer-remains-haunted-by-massacre/2018/06/04/796f1c16-679d-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?utm_term=.db91db4a1a1c&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1

OK, problems I'm seeing here that aren't Peterson:
  • They have eight unarmed guards and one SRO for a 45 acre campus, and the SRO doesn't rate his own golf cart.  Last site I had to do foot patrol on was 3 buildings on 40 acres, and I'd be hard pressed to guarantee 5 minute response to any point on it, especially given having to pass locked doors, lock other doors behind me, (I've yet to see a school with only one master key - usually you've got 2-3 exterior door masters that don't necessarily follow any logic as to what works where, some interior door masters with the same issue, (maybe limited crossover between the sets, depending on the last remodel) and then some padlock keys.  Finding the right key can take a few seconds at each door.) etc.
     Sounds like it was luck that one of the guards happened to be cruising by for him to even get a ride.
  • Their procedures suck.  Seven of the unarmed guards should have been handling the lockdown, clearing courtyards, etc.  The remaining one should have been shadowing the SRO as a second pair of eyes, ears and hands to clear students out, secure doors behind them, handle communications and generally watch his back while the SRO focuses entirely on finding and engaging the threat.  All these assignments should have been worked out beforehand and rehearsed repeatedly until only the SRO and his shadow are doing anything outside of a very simple script during the initial stage.
  • Once the lockdown is confirmed, some of the guards should be moving to perimeter positions, and others moving as needed to support the search and/or first aid, as directed by the shadowing guard.  Again, the fixed part of this should be completely scripted and practiced until they can lock their assigned doors and move to their next location in their sleep.
  • School clearly has some cameras; did they not have any in the halls, and someone who could pull up the feed to tell security where the threat is and confirm it's really a shooter?

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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 11:14:40 AM »
OK, problems I'm seeing here that aren't Peterson:
  • School clearly has some cameras; did they not have any in the halls, and someone who could pull up the feed to tell security where the threat is and confirm it's really a shooter?

You haven't been paying attention. Yes, they had cameras. But nobody (except maybe Peterson, and if he knew he didn't think to tell anyone at the time) realized that the cameras had a built-in 20-minute time delay. When the outside first responders arrived, one of them went to wherever the control room was located and used the video feeds to direct officers to to where he was seeing the shooter. Problem is, by that time the shooter was down the street, having a burger at McDonalds.

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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 11:28:50 AM »
As I see it, it's the duty of an armed guard - particularly a sworn officer like a sheriff's deputy - to intervene in dangerous situations. Hanging around outside (where it's safe) is reprehensible.

In the case of unarmed guards . . . I really don't blame them for running like hell when shooting breaks out.
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 12:22:34 PM »
I'd say the things the dude could do to himself, but they'd be far from polite and acceptable. A few of them for the vast majority of the population would also be anatomically impossible.

His current issues warrant zero sympathy imo.

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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 01:49:19 PM »
I was trying to think of all the issues I have heard about with Parkland.

1.  The officers did not enter the building immediately or even minutes later when more officers were available. 
1A.  This was not just on the one officer, but that decision was backed up by others once more people showed up who were also prevented from immediately entering. 
2.  The killer was a known felon that was never actually tagged with a felony even though he should have been.
3.  As mentioned, the security cameras were on a 20 minute delay that apparently very few people knew about. 

I am sure there are more, but I am drawing a blank.
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 01:58:02 PM »
Really dumb question #5,936,886:

What the h3ll good are "security cameras" if they are on a 20 MINUTE DELAY??!
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 02:14:12 PM »
I heard it speculated that it was done that way to give someone an opportunity to revise or hide incidents that they didn't want to report.  Not sure how that was supposed to happen.
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 02:46:51 PM »
I heard it speculated that it was done that way to give someone an opportunity to revise or hide incidents that they didn't want to report.  Not sure how that was supposed to happen.

I have no idea how that would work, either, but it's really the only explanation that seems plausible. I literally can't think of any other reason for a 20 minute delay in video feed.
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 04:20:48 PM »
If you're just using security cameras so you have evidence for later, which I assume is how most security cameras are used, then I guess it wouldn't hurt anything. Then again, how would it help?

If you're continuously monitoring the feed, then  ???
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Re: Parkland revisited
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 05:41:25 PM »
If something happens, the person monitoring the cameras is told to go get a cup of coffee at the appropriate time so they don't have to report something happened. 

Best I can come up with.
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